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Palimino

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I see that the Spanish government has rejected overtures from ETA (freedom fighters) to negotiate <significant wiggling of eyebrows>. This is incredibly dumb. Governments frequently ‘stonewall’ and tie-up in red tape legitimate complaints – sometimes the only way to attract attention to your cause is through violence. I prefer the style of ETA (Basque separatist group). They seem to be conducting themselves in a ‘reasonable’ way and may deserve the title ‘freedom fighters’. To my knowledge they [ETA] have never deliberately targeted civilians (just shot policeman & stuff). Seems a reasonable way of attempting to (violently) make your point. Negotiation doesn’t work and they are targeting security forces (who are PAID to take risks [it’s their job]) rather than innocent civilians. France & Spain are squealing and demonizing them as ‘terrorists’ as is government’s wont. To randomly kill civilians is not going to attract sympathy to the ETA cause. Just fear and loathing and even greater support for the government (make it stop). Dumbasses!

They should on no account, ‘lay down their arms’ (governments demand so that they can return to their stonewalling). Maybe ETA should target the twats who keep their carcasses out of harms way and let the relatively innocent security forces die on their behalf. Then you may see a quick inclination to ‘negotiate’. The French just need a severe gobsmack to teach them to keep their Gallic noses out of other peoples business.
 
Strange thread :erm:

Anyway ETA are nothing more than your usual leftist murderous morons. They've gone well past their sell by date and it's time they joined their comrades like the IRA, Red Army Faction and Red brigades in the trash heap.
 
Anyway ETA are nothing more than your usual leftist murderous morons. They've gone well past their sell by date and it's time they joined their comrades like the IRA, Red Army Faction and Red brigades in the trash heap.

Care to substantiate that? The IRA, Red Army Faction and Red brigade all killed innocents in the name of their cause. ETA doesn’t deliberately use terror tactics. There may be innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it not deliberate ETA policy.
 
Attacking shopping malls with car bombs is a terror tactic as far as I'm concerned

Secondly a Marxist-Leninist 'freedom fighter' is an oxymoron :erm:
 
Attacking shopping malls with car bombs is a terror tactic as far as I'm concerned

Secondly a Marxist-Leninist 'freedom fighter' is an oxymoron :erm:

You will have to substantiate with more than spittle-flecked drivel to have credibility, I’m afraid.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA

Wikipedia said:
On 10 January 2011, ETA declared that their September 2010 ceasefire would be permanent and verifiable by international observers. Observers urged caution, pointing out that ETA had broken permanent ceasefires in the past...

Wikipedia said:
- The nuclear power plant facilities at Lemoniz (Biscay). In the early 1980s, when the Basque ecologist movement opposed this project, ETA joined this point of view and started a series of attacks against the power plant. Five workers were assassinated by the organization, including the execution of a kidnapped engineer Jose Maria Ryan.
- The A-15 highway which was to run through the Leizaran Valley between Navarre and Guipuzcoa. It was inaugurated in 1995, during the construction four people related to the construction were killed by ETA...

Wikipedia said:
Businessmen (such as Javier Ybarra, Joxe Mari Korta or Ignacio Uria Mendizabal): these are mainly targeted in order to extort them for the so-called "revolutionary tax".

Palimino, I suggest you correct your ignorance of what ETA really is and does by reading the Wikipedia article I linked (pertinent excerpts quoted above to disprove your BS that ETA only targets security forces). They are nothing more than a communist terrorist organisation and anyone who believes they are anything else - including yourself - is a fool.
 
That last sentence about the French is weird. Aren't ETA a thorn in Spain's side, not France's?
 

Governments have labelled them ‘terrorists’ – what a surprise. Any organisation which violently opposes government decrees is a ‘terrorist’ organisation. From your link (I never claimed that no innocents were killed, just that it wasn’t policy).

ETA members and supporters routinely claim torture at the hands of any police force.[51] While these claims are hard to verify, some convictions are based on confessions obtained while prisoners are held incommunicado and without access to a lawyer of their choice, for a maximum of three days. These confessions are routinely repudiated by the defendants during trials as having been extracted under torture. There have been some successful prosecutions of proven tortures during the "dirty war" period of the mid-1980s, although the penalties have been considered by Amnesty International as unjustifiably light and lenient with co-conspirators and enablers.

Torture is acceptable; they are only a ‘terrorist’ organisation who objects to the wise and beneficial behaviour of the sitting government.
ETA performed their first car bomb assassination in Madrid in September 1985, resulting in one death (American citizen Eugene Kent Brown, Johnson & Johnson employee)...

Note that his citizen status is only mentioned. I suspect that he may have had affiliations harmful to ETA (not much point in targeting a Johnson & Johnson employee only).

...another bomb in July 1986 killed twelve members of the Guardia Civil and injured 50; on June 19, 1987...

Note security forces.

...the Hipercor bombing was an attack in a shopping center in Barcelona, killing twenty-one and injuring forty-five; in the last case, entire families were killed. The horror caused then was so striking that ETA felt compelled to issue a communiqué stating that they had given advance warning of the Hipercor bomb, but that the police had declined to evacuate the area.

**The police declined to evacuate the area.**

And so on, etc. etc. (I am not going to read the entire monologue).

I suggest you correct your ignorance of what ETA really is (pertinent excerpts quoted above to disprove your BS). Anyone who believes they are a terrorist bogie man - including yourself - is a fool.
 
That last sentence about the French is weird. Aren't ETA a thorn in Spain's side, not France's?

From Wiki
The Pyrenees (also spelled Pyrenées, pronounced /ˈpɪərɨniːz/; Spanish: Pirineos or Pirineo; French: Pyrénées, IPA: [piʁene]; Catalan: Pirineus, IPA: [piɾiˈnɛw]; Occitan: Pirenèus; Aragonese: Perinés; Basque: Pirinioak or Auñamendiak) are a range of mountains in southwest Europe that form a natural border between France and Spain. They separate the Iberian Peninsula from the rest of continental Europe, and extend for about 491 km (305 mi) from the Bay of Biscay (Cap Higuer) to the Mediterranean Sea (Cap de Creus).
For the most part, the main crest forms a massive divider between France and Spain, with the tiny country of Andorra sandwiched in between. Catalonia and Navarre have historically extended on both sides of the mountain range, with small northern portions in France and much larger southern parts in Spain.[1][2]

The Basque (thus ETA) inhabit the Pyrenees – which is a range of mountains in southwest Europe that form a natural border between France and Spain. The French are interested.
 
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