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I always find it funny when scientists, of all people, say we are running out of resources. We're not. We didn't eject it out into space or make it implode on itself.

It's there, just in another form.

What I'm wondering is, since elements are made out of atoms with identical properties, and all things are made from elements, would it be possible to create a device that can fuse atoms together to create elements? Almost like the device they use to bombard elements with particles, only improve it to be more industrial.

Consider that, in the future, we will have near limitless energy. Ancient billions of years of heat can be tapped through drilling a hole in the crust (they reached 300 C in the Kola Peninsular's dig site) to power steam turbines. Gigantic solar arrays, etc. We might even find a catalyst that makes H20 shake off its H2. We will have enough power to do anything.

So then, technically, if we are able to build such a creator, we'd have an unlimited supply of carbon, if anyone still wanted to use it for fuel, we'd have an unlimited supply of food and we'd also have an unlimited supply of "precious" metals. Which would no longer be precious.

Powah!
 
Easier said than done. If you do that I think you will get a nobel prize
 
People have thought of that. The big problem is that it takes more energy than you get out of it. Efficiency is the key and that's is the hurdle we will have to overcome to become sustainable.
I may be wrong but I think that efficiency is the problem with the hydrogen fuel cell at the moment. Or oil company meddling, depends on who you believe.
 
Arbiter said:
What I'm wondering is, since elements are made out of atoms with identical properties, and all things are made from elements, would it be possible to create a device that can fuse atoms together to create elements? Almost like the device they use to bombard elements with particles, only improve it to be more industrial.
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The stellar life and death process creates all the elements that we are familiar with.
 
Arbiter bcz i think u're totally high when u come up with these ideas, altho intriguing but not fully thought out, i have to underline where ur trail of thought fails in the general case...

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People have thought of that. The big problem is that it takes more energy than you get out of it. Efficiency is the key and that's is the hurdle we will have to overcome to become sustainable.
I may be wrong but I think that efficiency is the problem with the hydrogen fuel cell at the moment. Or oil company meddling, depends on who you believe.
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Yeah that ^^
 
Arbiter said:
I always find it funny when scientists, of all people, say we are running out of resources. We're not. We didn't eject it out into space or make it implode on itself.

It's there, just in another form.

What I'm wondering is, since elements are made out of atoms with identical properties, and all things are made from elements, would it be possible to create a device that can fuse atoms together to create elements? Almost like the device they use to bombard elements with particles, only improve it to be more industrial.

Consider that, in the future, we will have near limitless energy. Ancient billions of years of heat can be tapped through drilling a hole in the crust (they reached 300 C in the Kola Peninsular's dig site) to power steam turbines. Gigantic solar arrays, etc. We might even find a catalyst that makes H20 shake off its H2. We will have enough power to do anything.

So then, technically, if we are able to build such a creator, we'd have an unlimited supply of carbon, if anyone still wanted to use it for fuel, we'd have an unlimited supply of food and we'd also have an unlimited supply of "precious" metals. Which would no longer be precious.

Powah!
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In essence, science attempts to learn how to create. Unfortunately you can't learn it. It's a sick fruitless bloody expensive exercise. All they've managed to do the past 200 years is learn how to adapt and use the Creator's creations. Life rocks :D
 
Arbiter said:
I always find it funny when scientists, of all people, say we are running out of resources. We're not. We didn't eject it out into space or make it implode on itself.

It's there, just in another form.

What I'm wondering is, since elements are made out of atoms with identical properties, and all things are made from elements, would it be possible to create a device that can fuse atoms together to create elements? Almost like the device they use to bombard elements with particles, only improve it to be more industrial.

Consider that, in the future, we will have near limitless energy. Ancient billions of years of heat can be tapped through drilling a hole in the crust (they reached 300 C in the Kola Peninsular's dig site) to power steam turbines. Gigantic solar arrays, etc. We might even find a catalyst that makes H20 shake off its H2. We will have enough power to do anything.

So then, technically, if we are able to build such a creator, we'd have an unlimited supply of carbon, if anyone still wanted to use it for fuel, we'd have an unlimited supply of food and we'd also have an unlimited supply of "precious" metals. Which would no longer be precious.

Powah!
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Its called a replicator and uses similar tech as the transporter. Assembling basic atoms into whatever you want. A couple of forum people have mentioned and I think one said it would end the financial system as we know and poverty.

teraside said:
In essence, science attempts to learn how to create. Unfortunately you can't learn it. It's a sick fruitless bloody expensive exercise. All they've managed to do the past 200 years is learn how to adapt and use the Creator's creations. Life rocks :D
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You are so right. Praise Allah the creator and the one true God!
 
Arsbiter, you should go read up a bit about nuclear physics. You don't just plug these little subatomic bits together like lego pieces and all is hunky-dory. It has been done by humans, though, in spite of the silly religious claims made here. Mass tends to be destroyed, releasing quite a bit of energy, in the reactions we humans have managed to set up - in fact things tend to go ka-farking-boom half the time. Nuclear fission and nuclear fusion are the things you should look at, and maybe nucleosynthesis. Creating Caesium-137 is such fun - ask the people living near Chernobyl.

And, BTW, we have plenty enough Carbon on the planet. Have some braai charcoal on me - you can go try to crack some Carbon nuclei for Sunday fun.
 
i have had a similiar thought fr weeks now. if everything is made up of elements and only their structuring differs ineverything we see then it must be possible to manipulate these elements to make scarce resources. turning lead into gold by alchemy might have happened many many years ago and if that worked then it should be possible to do the same, or what?
 
waynegohl said:
i have had a similiar thought fr weeks now. if everything is made up of elements and only their structuring differs ineverything we see then it must be possible to manipulate these elements to make scarce resources. turning lead into gold by alchemy might have happened many many years ago and if that worked then it should be possible to do the same, or what?
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:erm: joking, right?
 
Ah the alchemists only need to change one atom to transmute lead into gold. It should be easy but it is not.
 
Arbiter said:
What I'm wondering is, since elements are made out of atoms with identical properties, and all things are made from elements, would it be possible to create a device that can fuse atoms together to create elements? Almost like the device they use to bombard elements with particles, only improve it to be more industrial.
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Good scheme. However, a working device would mean the end of civilization as we know it. Everything! Think about it. Technically, it wouldn’t be easy but it should be possible and if there was sufficient motivation, money and time would have been allocated to the problem for years. Politics, vested interests and existing wealth & power relationships would all be stuffed. The major problem lies in the luddite mentality governing the status quo (IMO). Vested interests won’t relinquish their grasp on power and a device such as you envision, would destroy their wealth, power and influence. If it happens at all, it will be IN SPITE of the vested interests who will fight this every step of the way. And they have the geld.
 
Ironically, it transpired that, under true nuclear transmutation, it is far easier to turn gold into lead than the reverse reaction, which was the one the alchemists had ardently pursued.
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Eish :erm:

Methinks the amount of energy needed, and more seriously the difficulty in containing such volatility, is being seriously underestimated here...
 
Look, seriously people, if a method was developed for transmutation of elements for energy purposes it would have to satisfy the conservation of energy.

Since uranium and plutonium are our main resources for nuclear fission, the energy required to transmute other elements to uranium and plutonium would exceed the energy that could be harnessed by the resultant transmuted mass.

Different methods (or optimising current methods) are needed, then with a plethora of methods at our disposal we can revisit this idea
 
Palimino said:
Good scheme. However, a working device would mean the end of civilization as we know it.
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Any working "device" would need to be 332,950 times the mass of the Earth or 1,048 times the mass of Jupiter.

To maybe put that into perspective, Jupiter is 318 times as massive as Earth.
 
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MacNutter said:
Its called a replicator and uses similar tech as the transporter. Assembling basic atoms into whatever you want. A couple of forum people have mentioned and I think one said it would end the financial system as we know and poverty.
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Indeed, at a cost of billions, the financial system would collapse and everyone will live in poverty.

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You are so right. Praise Allah the creator and the one true God!
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Haha, funny man. Jesus just goes :rolleyes: whatever bro.
 
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