Emigrating

Fireblade74

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Hi everyone I've been using Altcoin Trader for the past 2 years. I'm leaving for Australia the end of the year and I'd like to know which hard wallet to use and how to transfer my coins over?
Thanks...
 
Before transferring etc. You are posed with another issue. The day you cease residency here you essentially are deemed to sell all your assets including those BTC etc and that attracts tax. Please make sure you conduct your affairs properly...
 
Before transferring etc. You are posed with another issue. The day you cease residency here you essentially are deemed to sell all your assets including those BTC etc and that attracts tax. Please make sure you conduct your affairs properly...
Well I only have about 10k worth of coins. Can I not transfer it to a hard wallet?
 
I think for hard wallets there are only two major ones, trezor and ledger nano - each has its own benefits as well as cons - not the best link but it will start you off - https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/wallets/
Thank you I'm leaning towards the Ledger Nano but according to Alcoin Trader I can still operate on their exchange from Australia.
Just feel it would be better anyway to have my coins on a hard wallet locked away. :)
 
You can, I'm just saying its still a taxable event. someone else can comment on which wallet etc to use...
My understanding is that it's only taxable if you cash out. Until that point, SARS can't touch it.
 
My understanding is that it's only taxable if you cash out. Until that point, SARS can't touch it.
Emigrating is different, you are "deemed" to cash it out when you cease to be a resident here. You are correct though in normal circumstance though.
 
9H. Change of residence, ceasing to be controlled foreign company or becoming headquarter company.—(1) For the purposes of this section—

“asset” means an asset as defined in paragraph 1 of the Eighth Schedule; and

“market value”, in relation to an asset, means the price which could be obtained upon a sale of that asset between a willing buyer and a willing seller dealing at arm’s length in an open market.

(2) Subject to subsection (4), where a person (other than a company) that is a resident ceases during any year of assessment of that person to be a resident—

(a)

that person must be treated as having—

(i)

disposed of each of that person’s assets to a person that is a resident on the date immediately before the day on which that person so ceases to be a resident for an amount received or accrued equal to the market value of the asset on that date; and


[Sub-para. (i) substituted by s. 14 (1) (a) of Act No. 25 of 2015 deemed to have come into operation on 5 June, 2015 and applicable in respect of (a) (i) any person that ceases to be a resident; or (ii) any controlled foreign company that ceases to be a controlled foreign company in relation to a resident, on or after that date; and (b) any person that becomes a headquarter company during years of assessment commencing on or after that date.]

Wording of Sections

(ii)

reacquired each of those assets on the day on which that person so ceases to be a resident at an expenditure equal to the market value contemplated in subparagraph (i);

(b)

that year of assessment must be deemed to have ended on the date immediately before the day on which that person so ceases to be a resident; and

(c)

the next succeeding year of assessment of that person must be deemed to have commenced on the day on which that person so ceases to be a resident.

(3) (a) Where a company that is a resident ceases during any year of assessment of that company to be a resident or where a company that is a resident becomes a headquarter company in respect of a year of assessment, that company must be treated as having—

(i)

disposed of each of that company’s assets to a person that is a resident on the date immediately before the day on which that company so ceased to be a resident or became a headquarter company; and

(ii)

reacquired each of those assets on the day on which that company so ceased to be a resident or became a headquarter company,

for an amount equal to the market value of each of those assets.

[Para. (a) substituted by s. 14 (1) (b) of Act No. 25 of 2015 deemed to have come into operation on 5 June, 2015 and applicable in respect of (a) (i) any person that ceases to be a resident; or (ii) any controlled foreign company that ceases to be a controlled foreign company in relation to a resident, on or after that date; and (b) any person that becomes a headquarter company during years of assessment commencing on or after that date.]

Wording of Sections

(b) Where a controlled foreign company ceases, otherwise than by way of becoming a resident, to be a controlled foreign company during any foreign tax year of that controlled foreign company, that controlled foreign company must be treated as having—

(i)

disposed of each of the assets of that controlled foreign company, to a person that is a resident, on the date immediately before the day on which that controlled foreign company so ceased to be a controlled foreign company; and

(ii)

reacquired each of the assets disposed of as contemplated in subparagraph (i) on the day on which that controlled foreign company so ceased to be a controlled foreign company,

for an amount equal to the market value of each of those assets.

[Para. (b) substituted by s. 14 (1) (b) of Act No. 25 of 2015 deemed to have come into operation on 5 June, 2015 and applicable in respect of (a) (i) any person that ceases to be a resident; or (ii) any controlled foreign company that ceases to be a controlled foreign company in relation to a resident, on or after that date; and (b) any person that becomes a headquarter company during years of assessment commencing on or after that date.]

Wording of Sections

(c) Where a company that is a resident ceases to be a resident or becomes a headquarter company during any year of assessment of that company as contemplated in paragraph (a)

(i)

that year of assessment must be deemed to have ended on the date immediately before the day on which that company so ceased to be a resident or became a headquarter company;

(ii)

the next succeeding year of assessment of that company must be deemed to have commenced on the day on which that company so ceased to be a resident or became a headquarter company; and

(iii)

that company must, on the date immediately before the day on which the company so ceased to be a resident or became a headquarter company and for the purposes of section 64EA (b), be deemed to have declared and paid a dividend that consists solely of a distribution of an asset in specie

(aa)

the amount of which must be deemed to be equal to the sum of the market values of all the shares in that company on that date less the sum of the contributed tax capital of all the classes of shares in the company as at that date; and

(bb)

to the person or persons holding shares in that company in accordance with the effective interest of that person or those persons in the shares in the company as at that date.
 
Thank you I'm leaning towards the Ledger Nano but according to Alcoin Trader I can still operate on their exchange from Australia.
Just feel it would be better anyway to have my coins on a hard wallet locked away. :)

Yes you can still operate on their exchange I figure but as long as you don't have the private keys those coins are not yours so aim to have them away from an exchange or hot wallet unless you are actively trading. If i were you and trying to avoid the legality of cashing out (ignore this sentence given light of what was posted above) just transfer to another exchange or a mobile wallet (one that gives you access to your own private keys and preferably open source). That way you are only screwed if you lose your private key.
 
Crypto isn't a physical asset he has to sell in order to move countries. So stop lying to the poor guy.

It's like saying, if you own websites that make adsense money, you have to sell them first to be able to emigrate. GFY if you think that's the truth

/edit Also, you don't have to sell your property to be able to emigrate either #just saying
 
Crypto isn't a physical asset he has to sell in order to move countries. So stop lying to the poor guy.

It's like saying, if you own websites that make adsense money, you have to sell them first to be able to emigrate. GFY if you think that's the truth

/edit Also, you don't have to sell your property to be able to emigrate either #just saying

You really have no idea what is being said.

Crypto is an asset. An asset does not have to be physical for it to be an asset. An asset is anything of value, whether it be physical(property/House) or intangible(shares/crypto).

No one said he must sell. The act of emigrating would trigger a disposal for tax purposes without actually having to sell the asset or property.
 
You really have no idea what is being said.

Crypto is an asset. An asset does not have to be physical for it to be an asset. An asset is anything of value, whether it be physical(property/House) or intangible(shares/crypto).

No one said he must sell. The act of emigrating would trigger a disposal for tax purposes without actually having to sell the asset or property.
Thank you, you get it! That's why I check your facts from a tax perspective. There is way more to it than meets the eye.
 
Weird how crypto can be associated with someone's name/ID number etc. then. thought it was anonymous. Please make sure you conduct your affairs properly <- GFY. this country has bled this guy dry enough. He doesn't have to declare anything.

BTW get the nano ledger S. just check which coins it supports
Don't declare anything then do what you want.... Just pointing out what you LEGALLY have to do. Use it don't use it...
 
I think I'll keep it on the Altcoin Trader platform for 3 months after I've arrived and then transfer to the Nano Ledger s.
 
Before transferring etc. You are posed with another issue. The day you cease residency here you essentially are deemed to sell all your assets including those BTC etc and that attracts tax. Please make sure you conduct your affairs properly...

Wouldn't that apply if he had applied for tax emigration ?
 
You can, I'm just saying its still a taxable event. someone else can comment on which wallet etc to use...

It's only a tax event if you officially financially emigrate and apply to SARS to end your tax residency in which case all your assets (except fixed property) are deemed to have been disposed for capital gains tax purposes. Just emigrating by itself does not mean that your SA tax residency is automatically ended.
 
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