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Hi all, just a few questions regarding Employment equity. Our business is required by law to "impliment" equity. I hate this whole idea, but we do not have a choice.

There is a company that will be able to help us with this, but only as from February. I'm busy compiling a list, with all the finer detais of all our employees, and want to see where we stand regarding ratial matters. For example, I know we have too many black ladies, and white men. BUT, what is the ratio on this?

Then another thing, what role can labour brokers stand in this? Say I see that I have too many white men, and I can "transfer" 1 or 2 of them to a labour broker? Will they then afterwards be counted in with our ratio?

Thanks
 
Just to explain myself here, I dont want to duck and dive through this. I know it's law, and I must comply, and I will. But as we all know, there's some things in life that doesn;t work. Our problem is here with black and white, these people are not doctor and attorney material, so we have to deal with a semi schooled black person serving a white male boerseun. I mean, first of all, language will play a role here, and skill. I have tried situations like this before, because I had too many problems with white staff, so I startde employing more blacks. But I could see how our frequent customers started to stay away. Our business is 90 % whites, so I know I will be playing with fire is I start employing many black people. And on top of all that, I cant even employ more black ladies, because I know the black men are not enough for this equity. Thing is, there's things a black man just can not do as good as a black women.

So that is why I thought of labour broker route, if that could help me.

And please, do not tell me I'm being racist here, let me tell you a thing, I have much much much more problems with our white staff, that with the rest (black and coloured).
 
R13... said:
So your clients prefer to be served by white people? :erm:
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Unfortunately I think that is a condition we will find in more conservative "ou transvaal" areas such as Pietersburg/Polokwane. I have seen a lot of it in my travels...

OP: You mention labour brokers. Surely if you have such a contact, they could advise you accordingly?
 
R13... said:
So your clients prefer to be served by white people? :erm:
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yes. I know all the big stores have black people serving customers, and I have tried it here. But ja, I lost a lot of customers to that. Thing is, 90 % of black and white people in this industry are not well schooled. Now, many customers needs help regarding, how many kg of meat we need for this amount of people, or what would you recommend for this function for doctors, things like that. And the black people that we get to employ, are not able to help customers with this. So they must call the white blockmen to help them, helping the customers.

Then, no 2. We deal with a lot of restaurants, who order meat from us. Some with white people phoning, some with black. And really, you wont believe how we battle to make out what most of these black people say over the phone. And the moment you tell them that maybe we dont have stock on this or that, can we maybe deliver tomorrow, then they cant understand what you mean, and calls their boss. So now I wont take that risk, of loosing customers for this, or upsetting customers for this.

As I said, I am really open minded with this, but I wont risk loosing customers again just to please the goverment.
 
GreGorGy said:
Unfortunately I think that is a condition we will find in more conservative "ou transvaal" areas such as Pietersburg/Polokwane. I have seen a lot of it in my travels...

OP: You mention labour brokers. Surely if you have such a contact, they could advise you accordingly?
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Yes you know thats true. In Gauteng I suppose you wont have people moaning as much, but here's too many boer seuns!:D I can phone the guy again to assist, but he said we can meet February, and I dont want to bother him again. Thats why I ask here, maybe someone knows.
 
Why do you encourage them? Leave the dinosaurs behind and look to the future. Tell them to move to Orania.
 
You always have a choice in everything in life. By complying with employment equity law you are complicit in this racist system. Don't comply, fight the system. You don't have to do anything you don't want to.
 
deweyzeph said:
You always have a choice in everything in life. By complying with employment equity law you are complicit in this racist system. Don't comply, fight the system. You don't have to do anything you don't want to.
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You don't even see the irony. This is exactly why we need EE
 
deweyzeph said:
You always have a choice in everything in life. By complying with employment equity law you are complicit in this racist system. Don't comply, fight the system. You don't have to do anything you don't want to.
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You do if you want to run a successful business and not waste your time ducking and diving from the law.

@OP, I'm not sure how a labour broker would help?
 
deweyzeph said:
A private company should be able to employ whoever they want.
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You say the laws are racist yet happy to condone the racism of the OP's customers who prefer to be served by white people because? And the OP wants to aid and abet these racists by putting up a front for the government while behind the scenes he can still keep his white employees for his racist customers.

Yet you have the gall to say what the government is doing is racist?
 
R13 ... using the racist flag again eh! I prefer to be served by COMPETENT people. That is what the OP has been on about the people he/she will be forced to employ are not competant! Then you say train them! That is up to the government, I have seen the mess that the training of Artisans is in therefore you can't expect the government to train anybody and the OP doesn't have the infrastructure to train,
 
pgs said:
R13 ... using the racist flag again eh! I prefer to be served by COMPETENT people. That is what the OP has been on about the people he/she will be forced to employ are not competant! Then you say train them! That is up to the government, I have seen the mess that the training of Artisans is in therefore you can't expect the government to train anybody and the OP doesn't have the infrastructure to train,
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Are you accusing me of racism? If so, please prove it. You can use a post from anywhere in the forum to prove it of you want not just this thread. I get tired of being accused with these racial innuendos when the ****ers can't show where I am being racist.

Edit: who are you to say I am flying the racist flag AGAIN. I have never interacted with you.
 
pgs said:
R13 ... using the racist flag again eh! I prefer to be served by COMPETENT people. That is what the OP has been on about the people he/she will be forced to employ are not competant! Then you say train them! That is up to the government, I have seen the mess that the training of Artisans is in therefore you can't expect the government to train anybody and the OP doesn't have the infrastructure to train,
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Actually, you need to learn to read properly. jacqvt was quite clear that hiring white people is about racism rather than competency:
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so we have to deal with a semi schooled black person serving a white male boerseun. I mean, first of all, language will play a role here, and skill. I have tried situations like this before, because I had too many problems with white staff, so I startde employing more blacks. But I could see how our frequent customers started to stay away. Our business is 90 % whites, so I know I will be playing with fire is I start employing many black people.
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This is about race, not competency.
 
So you can't find any competent person other than black or white?
Have you been approached regarding your equity status, if not why change.
 
R13... said:
You say the laws are racist yet happy to condone the racism of the OP's customers who prefer to be served by white people because? And the OP wants to aid and abet these racists by putting up a front for the government while behind the scenes he can still keep his white employees for his racist customers.

Yet you have the gall to say what the government is doing is racist?
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It's the OP's business who he employs. Government has no right to interfere. I detest racism myself, but I'll defend the rights of businesses to employ whoever they want. It's the principle of the matter. Government has no place meddling in the affairs of businesses, dictating to them who they can or can't employ. They have no stake in the business so they have no say. End of story.
 
deweyzeph said:
It's the OP's business who he employs. Government has no right to interfere. I detest racism myself, but I'll defend the rights of businesses to employ whoever they want. It's the principle of the matter. Government has no place meddling in the affairs of businesses, dictating to them who they can or can't employ. They have no stake in the business so they have no say. End of story.
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Problem is, I must comply, we are above the threshold, so if we keep on ignoring it, we can get major big fines.

My problem is really not racism, I just want to employ people who can first of all do what I want them to, and be able to serve my customers well. I do not say there is not black people who is able to do this, but when I advertise a vacancy, they don't show up. Just semi schooled people, who really is not able of doing what I want. To be honest, some cant even spell their own name.

So I want to be able to employ people who can perform, as some of my black guys well do.

See when I use labour brokers, the people are not directly employed by the company. Thats how I want to correct this ratio.
 
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