Enough... (and taking the "war" more public)

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<br />One can also take complaints to http://www.hellopeter.com, another site where people can complain and possibly get issues raised / listed.
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I second hello peter.

Damn, that guy can light fires under ****** companies [8D]

Suggested item for the agenda. Pay strike.

Pay them in proportion to uptime etc. Safer than total non-payment.
 
Hey Rodent, found another one of your sites!
U said in another topic you were working on some game, but I expected a bit more from you:
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courtesy of WayoftheRodent.com
Now fans of classic arcade games can download templates and build their own miniature reproductions of the original systems at WayoftheRodent.com <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">.

quote courtesy of ITWEBs front-page today.
[:D]
Disclaimer: this probably has no affiliation with TheRoDent on Myadsl
 
*Groan* Is that the best you can come up with dorris? from the rest of your posts i thought you were actually quite a clever guy..... *LOL*
 
Everyone keeps saying 'Mass action'. What mass action? I would be willing to bet R10 that no one that requests articles (like itweb, cart blanche or whoever) will get it posted, or even get a reply. And if you guys had to make a list of people having a bad time with sentech, you wont even reach a hundred. (Even though, I'm not sure if sentech has that many users). And I mean people actually bitching. Most people dont bitch
 
TrXtr, last i checked you weren't a Sentech employee.... [:)]

Apparently Sentech had about 1400 subscribers a month ago (This came from Jason @ Swinetech Helpdesk), if you check RPM's post on the news section then you'll see that they are getting about 30 new clients a day. Now if we are to calculate it conservatevly at 20 a day for the last month then 20 x 30 = 600, which makes it 2000 subscribers so far, now assuming 5% of people are having issues that would make 100, but i see your point, i also doubt whether 100 people would put their names behind complaining, however, regardless i think its important to complain, who knows, this might only be the tip of the iceberg, what rodent has started today might only take full effect in 6 months time, or 12 months etc...

My point being at least something is being done, because something is better than nothing, and nothing is what we are getting from sentech at the moment (i mean nothing in terms of levels of service)
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Goobie</i>
RoDent, I'm behind you all the way.
Perhaps www.mywirelesssucks.co.za might be more appropriate, seeing how there are two other unrelated Sentech companies on the web.
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That one was registered by me already, by the time I started this thread. [V]

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R10 went out in about 1970

minimum bet is now R100 TrXtR ( if u can spare it)

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<br />Everyone keeps saying 'Mass action'. What mass action? I would be willing to &lt;a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=bet&v=56"&gt;bet&lt;/a&gt; R10 that no one that requests articles (like itweb, cart blanche or whoever) will get it posted, or even get a reply. And if you guys had to make a list of &lt;a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56"&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; having a bad &lt;a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=time&v=56"&gt;time&lt;/a&gt; with sentech, you wont even reach a hundred. (Even though, I'm not sure if sentech has that many users). And I mean &lt;a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56"&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; actually bitching. Most &lt;a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56"&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; dont bitch

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TrXtR</i>
<br />obviously from what youve stated you have a history :)
You sure it's not anger management that's the problem ?
(I truly doubt that though)
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Oh, I've been pretty riled up, and down, over the last few weeks about MyWireless. Not to the point of anger though. More like cold calculated animosity.

I've doing their support on their behalf, for myself.
I've been upgrading my firmware on their behalf by myself.
I've been tweaking their drivers, on my behalf.
I've been logging calls at /dev/nulldesk without resolve.
I've been blatantly lied to at /dev/helldesk.
I've been blatantly ignored at /dev/helldesk.
I've had better customer feedback and status communications at /dev/telkom, and that's a fright.
I've had better data transfer rates with a 1.44Mb stiffy in my car.
I've seen paying subscribers get cut off due to mistakes on Sentech's behalf, without apology or rebate.
I've seen better tools, such as Nic's signal calculator developed by this community.
I've seen what is essentially a high-latency cellular system with loads of technical problems advertised on television as "broadband".

I'm seeing overcharging, and underdelivery.

The only good thing Sentech does have going for them is /dev/god/proasm, and that's about it.

When Sentech arrived, most of breathed a sigh of relief, and screamed: "Yay, an alternative".

Yes, well. You know how the saying goes: The devil you know...

Naturally, I'm doing some of this to pacify my need to vent. But I also want to make sure that whoever else thinks of getting this service, knows exactly what the limitations of the technology is, what it's characteristics are, and what Sentech's characteristics are. That way, they can make an informed decision, rather than rely on a silly little television advertisement and a marketing website that is patently incorrect.

I can go rpm's route, and attempt to slowly tackle the system from within, by going to ICASA, or the advertising standards boards, and a million other routes. That'd be great for Sentech, since as has been shown with Telkom, these routes amount to no benefit, or corrective action.

The alternative is to hurt their marketing, by using guerrilla tactics that they cannot continue to stonewall. If the word is well enough spread, chances are that they may be forced to take action, or suffer the financial consequences. It really is the only other alternative I can see.

We've tried it. We've logged our tickets. We've talked to our support staff. We've mailed them higher up. And the result is nothing. Dead stonewalled silence, as is usually the case.

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I just sent the following email to Debora Patta of E-TV(think they independant of sentech,i dont know)

I think she maybe the only one who has the ball (?) to take this on.

But if you wanna know the truth:
MASS ACTION - STOPPING OUR DEBIT ORDERS TO SENTECH (COSTS R85 AT YOUR BANK) IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM SENTECH.BECAUSE SCREWING US FOR THE FIRST 6 MONTHS WAS PROBABLY ALWAYS PART OF THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN

(SOMEONE CHECK THE LEGALITY OF THIS)



Debora Patta
Managing Director
e-tv
[email protected]
Dear Debora,

After often seeing your journalistic independance in pursuing controversial issues ;
I request ,on behalf of many thousands of outraged users of the new Sentech Mywireless service that you direct your incisive attention to investigate the severe issues that users have with this Sentech.What you will find will no doubt be evidentiary material for what may well turn out to be one of your great 3rd Degree stories.

Examples of complaints:-
1]Misrepresentation of service: advertised as "High Speed Broadband" ,users experience consistently less speed than 56k dial-up
2]Lack of acknowledgement by Sentech,either per their website or to individual customers of the existence of any problem,especially considering that so many customers are complaining.
3]No granting or offer of rebate for consistent lack of service
4]Customers dealt with in a hostile manner

Whilst this has been carrying on consistently for the last 2 and a half months ,Sentech continues to proudly advertise its 'High Speed Broadband' knowingly being a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground.

Please refer to the following forum populated by hundreds of Mywireless users ,it may be a good starting point to obtain users side of the story.
http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=18
 
We'll like someone else was saying 100 people might not even back this up. Why not take a more ... cleaner aproach (I swear there is a proper word for it).
Rather than taking a full force attack with everything you have and everything to loose, why not find another method? (I'm not saying you suck and youre wrong or anthing like that)

Why not start a site. But rather have statistics. We can develop software, that any willing mywireless user installs on his machine. And tracks uptime, tower and so forth. And at their request, do a speed test. These statistics get recorded on the server and displayed. When you have good enough data, Then you say, look sentech sucks, and I have everything needed to prove it. This way, they cannot say a thing about it, because you are not lying. Right now, in my opinion you would be lying, because I'm not at all sure if sentech really sucks. I had my bad a while ago, and now am doing well. I know allot of people are saying they got it bad, but I cant keep track of how many. So it will be a good idea to make actuall stats, which can be used for backup. Then if some random bloke finds a method for taking on sentech about this with the data that has been recorded, then walla. I just dont think youre method is gonna keep you up for more than a month, I'm sure we could put something better together.

Just my IOU 1c
 
TowerDude ... stopping our debit orders ... well, that'll just make sure your 2 year contract get's shortened (and you smile) and you pay them the rest of the money owed imediatly. And if all thire users do this ... hmmm wait this is a good idea, then they'll have a **** load of money, and make the service better.

Yes, everyone stop youre debit orders ... just understand if I dont ... more for me :)
 
Realistically trxrxrxrx this thing wont we won or lost in court.Sentech will have fixed it by then.

This will be won in the court of potential user opinion or the threat there-of.


ps what good is your 1c IOU if u can block it at your bank
 
Well even more reason for Rodent not to get arrested :)

Drastic is fine, but I dont see a reason to risk anything right now. But hey :) It's not me doing it.

Oh, and I'll transfer the 1c IOU to your pay pall acount thingy ;)
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TrXtR</i>
<br />TowerDude ... stopping our debit orders ... well, that'll just make sure your 2 year contract get's shortened (and you smile) and you pay them the rest of the money owed imediatly. And if all thire users do this ... hmmm wait this is a good idea, then they'll have a **** load of money, and make the service better.

Yes, everyone stop youre debit orders ... just understand if I dont ... more for me :)
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You know ABSOLUTELY F*** ALL about contract law you ponce, so STFU.

Non-payment for breach of contract is PERFECTLY LEGAL.

The problem here is the breach is intermittant. Ergo, you cannot justify complete non-payment. Late payment and partial payment are just fine.

Sentech can only get the R20k out of you with a COURT ORDER. Users can f*** Sentech around as much as they like UNTIL they receive a court summons (legal document) whereupon they can decide to meet SenTech's demands (i.e. pay up)OR defend their case in court. From a legal viewpoint, prior to summons issue, when you and SenTech talk you are just "chatting". The content of the convesation is legally meaningless (as long as you dont slander them, threaten to necklace them etc.)

What's in SenTech's contract and what they can enforce in a court of law ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Contracts like that are worded for intimidation on purpose to scare morons like YOU.

[}:)] &lt;- Has a low tolerance for morons.
 
hearty darling ... and exactly where did they break there contract ?
And even if their contract wont hold up, it still doesnt matter.

Non Payment for breach is legal ... yes if you took the correct steps before, but well, they didnt breach their contract.
IF you stop paying, and go to court and youre defense is grounded on breach, you'll loose.
You could maybe fight it on bad service and so forth and periods and you name it... but what exactly are you gonna use to prove it ?

Yeah it'll be a while before they get paid, but in the meanwhile they dont have to provide you service, and get paid by other customers taking your place,
and eventually you probably give in. Whicever way it works out, well that's not what I care about. Why not ask them if you can close your contract?

Dont call me a moron... it's not good for your image.

Oh and PS: Get into the freezer ... and cool down
 
TrXtR, I hear what you're saying, and that's exactly how I felt about a month ago. Two websites are hardly drastic measures. One of the exact reasons I'm starting these sites, is so that there is a common repository for reporting bad Sentech services and experiences, and gather proper statistics via surveys, and bandwidth tests.

I intend to install the web100 modified Linux kernel soon, so we can get the view of TCP's behaviour over Sentech's network. I have done a lot of research, and testing myself as you may well expect. I am of the opinion that their service sucks. It appears I'm not the only one.

And yes, I have already started databasing some statistics from speed tests (http://rodent.za.net/speed/graph/speedg.php?package=128k&versus_package=256k)

It's clear that the bandwidth isn't subpar all the time, but neither is it good, most of the time. Bandwith is but one of the "challenges" that Sentech faces in the non-delivery of their service. I intend to highlight these in a public fashion.

I don't intend to make any unsubstantiated claims on the *sucks sites either. I'm not in the habit of doing that, as I think my track record on this public forum clearly shows. I am however, entitled to my opinion, and entitled to express it. My experience, and opinion of MyWireless is that it sucks. For various reasons.

Sentech isn't delivering, they're not explaining why, and they're not offering any compensation.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TrXtR</i>
<br />hearty darling ... and exactly where did they break there contract ?

&lt;Snip troll BS&gt;
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Ignore this twit, he's a troll.

Only way to deal with them is to IGNORE them.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

PS: You can see live trolls in their natural habitat right now:
http://www.okaygood.com/
 
hArth and your problem is what ?
Now that youve defined a troll, can you go troll somewhere else?
 
HEY HEY HEY

lets not forget ,the common foe here is Sentech/sucktech/swinetech/sintech whatever your preference and not each other.

trxtr does make some valid comments about evidencing our claims etc.

lets support Rodents site by emailing our friend ,maybe a little viral marketing like some do to save the whales or whatever.

Maybe everyone should email debora patta so she can take note:
[email protected]

swindletech?
 
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