Evidence for Evolution: resources

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In this vein A virtual library of sources in it's own right!!! Follow the rabbit down the hole!

A Theory? (thanks DigitalSoldier)
On Theories Important pre-read



Wiki to start with - a jump off point.

Berkeley University
New Scientist

thanks to DJ... for those two.

Talk Origins
A Series

National Academies

The other side


PZ's Blog

In lieu of the wiki comment above - this should be a nice kick off point for those who have real questions and are interested in what real scientists in the field have to say on this subject.

Please feel free to add more and to refer questioning individuals here.

Preadaptions - added by phronesis. with reservation :p clarification.

Two youtube channels well worth watching - because seeing is believing :)

Potholer54 - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVqVKdiohE&feature=channel_page]example[/ame] Admittedly biased. Ultimately true.



cdk007 - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFJviGQth4]example[/ame] this guy has awesome music in all his vids. He can't possibly be wrong!

Statement from a global network of science academies (thanks rwenzori)

Understanding evolution

Natural Selection
 
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fanks. :)

I'll keep it going for a while. I can't believe we still find the same canards after all this time. it needs to end. for my sanity's sake.
 
Added rwenzori's url. Thanks mate, thats is quite brilliant.
 
Explanation of Scientific theory:

I have posted this before but it seems some people still don't understand scientific theory.

http://www.cesame-nm.org/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=32&page=1

There are differences in the meanings of "fact" and "theory" in science and every day life. "Theory" in science does not imply guesswork or impracticality. Evolution is a fact in the scientific view. Natural selection is a potent theory that explains the fact of evolution and predicts the data that will be observed in the future. Although some scientists debate the details of the theory, the overwhelming majority accepts the basic concept.
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Added and shifted to the top. Added one of my own. It is an important part of understanding.

Thanks.
 
Add link to Natural Selection because it seems to be willfully misunderstood.

By someone who profess to accept evolution and the theory which describes it. Or am I mistaken? It really is hard to tell with this particular individual.
 
But the problem here isn't really the lack of evidence but the creationist who tell the people that it is the devil who is influencing the people to come up with all the logical evolution stuff in the first place.

They deny evolution by telling that it is only created to get the people over to the evil side. Evolutionists are apparently led by the devil, to make people believe creationists are wrong.

So no matter how logical and plausible evolution is and no matter how much evidence there is, they will never believe because even the proofs are just made up by the devil trying to get them on his side. That's why they are so unresponsive to this.
 
Anony-mousse said:
But the problem here isn't really the lack of evidence but the creationist who tell the people that it is the devil who is influencing the people to come up with all the logical evolution stuff in the first place.

They deny evolution by telling that it is only created to get the people over to the evil side. Evolutionists are apparently led by the devil, to make people believe creationists are wrong.

So no matter how logical and plausible evolution is and no matter how much evidence there is, they will never believe because even the proofs are just made up by the devil trying to get them on his side. That's why they are so unresponsive to this.
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now that's just downright unnecessary.

Well then: allow me to retort.

I am a christian and I believe that everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Just don't try and sell your opinion as fact...

And don't come with so called "proof" that can not be verified by anyone independent. The "proofs" as you call it are just made up by people trying to support their own opinion and aren't happy just to believe what they believe. They want to feel (as most religious fanatics do) that their "proof" makes their "way" the only truth out there. They just don't want to admit that Evolution is just another faith, a godless faith (sad really) but a faith none the less..
 
I don't think at all that this is unnecessary. I think the religion propaganda has to stop. And I repeat myself if you like. RELIGION PROPAGANDA HAS TO STOP!

This is MY opinion and I tell my opinion without shutting up.

You know you actually shouldn't be too angry about it. Let's say I am talking about religious fanatics and not "normal" christians who leave other people alone, okay? So peace out :o
 
Madman88 said:
I am a christian and I believe that everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Just don't try and sell your opinion as fact...
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But isn't that exactly what creationists usually do? Selling their opinion as THE TRUTH? Especially SDA's who have the only truth anyway?

Anyway, I'm not so into this, so I don't care.
 
Madman88 said:
now that's just downright unnecessary.

Well then: allow me to retort.

I am a christian and I believe that everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Just don't try and sell your opinion as fact...

And don't come with so called "proof" that can not be verified by anyone independent. The "proofs" as you call it are just made up by people trying to support their own opinion and aren't happy just to believe what they believe. They want to feel (as most religious fanatics do) that their "proof" makes their "way" the only truth out there. They just don't want to admit that evolution is just another faith, a godless faith (sad really) but a faith none the less..
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Evolution happens whether we believe in it or not, much like gravity.....

Gravity maybe just an "opinion", but you'll still fall on your ass......
 
Madman88 said:
now that's just downright unnecessary.

Well then: allow me to retort.

I am a christian and I believe that everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Just don't try and sell your opinion as fact...

And don't come with so called "proof" that can not be verified by anyone independent. The "proofs" as you call it are just made up by people trying to support their own opinion and aren't happy just to believe what they believe. They want to feel (as most religious fanatics do) that their "proof" makes their "way" the only truth out there. They just don't want to admit that Evolution is just another faith, a godless faith (sad really) but a faith none the less..
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Evolution is fact. Get over it already. Its fact AND theory. READ THE LINKS IN THE OP BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT LIKE THIS. All evidence in scientific theory can be verified. They have experiments and evidence that have to be repeatable. However... its up to you to actually read the basics (which you clearly have not), before even thinking about taking another step forward.
 
Nobody attacks gravity, where God's hand is not needed every second of every hour.

Everyone (I hope) accepts that God made gravity the way it is and that it works as intended and that it is good. (those of us who believe in God of course)

Millions of xtians happily accept the fact of evolution and also that the ToE is the best current model we have explaining this fact AND they manage to accept that God made it so that it works and that it is good.

What they do is incorporate reality into their beliefs. Which, at the very least, is what one has to do, to my mind.

Those who don't "like" evolution and the theory of, usually do not understand it. It really is that simple. You *still* to this very day get questions like: "Why are there still monkeys if we came from monkeys?" (we didn't) and "Why isn't there any transitional fossils?" (there are) and "Show me a crocodile turned into a duck" etc etc etc

This isn't evolution at all. So you dislike something, that doesn't exist. (Kinda like liking something that doesn't exist but I'll not go there now) This seems a silly thing to be doing.

We have evidence for evolution (we actually observe it) from many spheres of the scientific endeavor, all forming a beautiful matrix of understanding and (with hind sight) common sense.

If God exists, I'll have to shake her hand for the elegant way in which she has accomplished all of this.
 
cyghost said:
If God exists, I'll have to shake her hand for the elegant way in which she has accomplished all of this.
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Just not those pathetic wisdom teeth, brains, appendix, failing kidneys, your lack of wings or wheels for legs etc?
One day you moan about the bad designs that are not actually designed (well according to you anyway), the next day you marvel at the elegant way in which all of this is accomplished...

Try again at being coherent ;).
 
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Phronesis said:
Just not those pathetic wisdom teeth, brains, appendix, failing kidneys, your lack of wings or wheels for legs etc?
One day you moan about the bad designs that are not actually designed (well according to you anyway), the next day you marvel at the elegant way in which all of this is accomplished...

Try again at being coherent ;).
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I am entirely coherent. I won't respond here further. This is a thread for resources presenting evidence for evolution and I'll use it for that only.
 
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