Evolution In Action

No, I object to the your use of "teleological evolution". I am not put off science in any way or form. How dumb is that conclusion?


lets see now...

There is also an implicit assumption that a mechanistic understanding, although fundamentally reductionist, will nonetheless lead to a more profound teleological understanding of the need for altered metabolism in invasive cancers. In this communication, we describe an alternative approach that begins with teleology; i.e. adaptive landscapes and selection pressures that promote emergence of aerobic glycolysis during the somatic evolution of invasive cancer

like to ask the prefesser what he meant in more detail or read the conclusions of the article at the very least. sufficient to say I continue to object to the use of "teleological" and I'll tell the prefesser that as well, should he appear here and push a methapysical agenda in our science forum.

Now, I hope we finally see eye to eye on this and you can continue to enlighten us on how the immune system works.

btw That is what I like about these discussions. The immune system, while fascinating, has never really caught my interest before. This has forced me to read up on it a bit and to see if any scientist attributes any sort of teleology to it and happy to report nothing. So do continue with the scientific musings, as remarked, I like reading about things and probably won't respond unless you go off course once more.

adieu
 
cyghost said:
No, I object to the your use of "teleological evolution". I am not put off science in any way or form. How dumb is that conclusion?


lets see now...

There is also an implicit assumption that a mechanistic understanding, although fundamentally reductionist, will nonetheless lead to a more profound teleological understanding of the need for altered metabolism in invasive cancers. In this communication, we describe an alternative approach that begins with teleology; i.e. adaptive landscapes and selection pressures that promote emergence of aerobic glycolysis during the somatic evolution of invasive cancer

like to ask the prefesser what he meant in more detail or read the conclusions of the article at the very least. sufficient to say I continue to object to the use of "teleological" and I'll tell the prefesser that as well, should he appear here and push a methapysical agenda in our science forum.

Now, I hope we finally see eye to eye on this and you can continue to enlighten us on how the immune system works.

btw That is what I like about these discussions. The immune system, while fascinating, has never really caught my interest before. This has forced me to read up on it a bit and to see if any scientist attributes any sort of teleology to it and happy to report nothing. So do continue with the scientific musings, as remarked, I like reading about things and probably won't respond unless you go off course once more.

adieu
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Ah, so you were never prepared to discuss science anyway (like w1zard). But do read up, it is fascinating.
 
isn't it just?

Once you learn to not attribute things to others from your own imagination but actually listen to what they say, you'll make leaps and bounds forward
 
cyghost said:
isn't it just?

Once you learn to not attribute things to others from your own imagination but actually listen to what they say, you'll make leaps and bounds forward
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Lol, keep lecturing others about science and refuse to discuss it. You look smart doing that...
 
You make a mistake. I don't lecture others about science. I object to your metaphysical bias, having none of my own and thinking that it is not needed in a science forum.

You need to keep things simple. It will make everything easier.
 
cyghost said:
You make a mistake. I don't lecture others about science. I object to your metaphysical bias, having none of my own and thinking that it is not needed in a science forum.

You need to keep things simple. It will make everything easier.
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You need to keep things honest.
 
I do as far as possible. We have been down that road. I have no biasses that transcends science. Lets not make this about me or honesty, we all know how you struggle in that department.
 
cyghost said:
I do as far as possible. We have been down that road. I have no biasses that transcends science. Lets not make this about me or honesty, we all know how you struggle in that department.
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You know what, you could have ended this mud sling fest by actually discussing the immune system and how it uses evolutionary processes to design optimal antibodies. So let's just stop this unnecessary bantering and discuss that. To get this back on topic:

White Blood Cell Uses DNA 'Catapult' To Fight Infection
Hans-Uwe Simon, from the University of Bern, Switzerland, Gerald J.Gleich, M.D., from the University of Utah School of Medicine, and their colleagues discovered that bacteria can activate eosinophils to release mitochondrial DNA in a catapult-like fashion to create a net that captures and kills bacteria.
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DNA fish nets tailor made to catch bacteria.

And choanoflagellates. Critters at the base of the eumetazoan tree.
Genome of marine organism tells of animals' one-celled ancestors.

Interestingly, the choanoflagellate has nearly as many introns - non-coding regions once referred to as "junk" DNA - in its genes as humans do in their genes, and often in the same spots. Introns have to be snipped out before a gene can be used as a blueprint for a protein and have been associated mostly with higher organisms.

The choanoflagellate genome, like the genomes of many seemingly simple organisms sequenced in recent years, shows a surprising degree of complexity, King said. Many genes involved in the central nervous system of higher organisms, for example, have been found in simple organisms that lack a centralized nervous system.

Likewise, choanoflagellates have five immunoglobulin domains, though they have no immune system; collagen, integrin and cadherin domains, though they have no skeleton or matrix binding cells together; and proteins called tyrosine kinases that are a key part of signaling between cells, even though Monosiga is not known to communicate, or at least does not form colonies.
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Genes for an immune system, yet no immune system? And so early on during the evolution of life. Fascinating preadaptations ;).

And the sea urchin? Another critter at the base of the eumetazoan tree.
Sea Urchin Genome Surprisingly Similar to Human Genome

The sea urchin's genome showed a surprisingly unique and complex immune system, which surpasses by far the human one and which could explain their lengthy life spans of up to 100 years.
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More fascinating preadaptations ;).
 
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Ugh, finish your wine and go sleep. You are obviously unable to discuss science, whether you are sober or not. Good night ;).
 
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