F1 2012 thread

DRS is normally disabled during the first 2 laps of a race anyway. What IS available off the line is KERS. The start/finish straight in Korea is not that long. The straight after turn 2 is very long and ideal for deploying KERS on lap1/2 and and DRS from lap 3 onwards.

If the Red Bulls can get a clean start and create a greater than one second gap to the following pack, then they will most probably drive off into the distance. If Hamilton could split them on the start or even lead into turn 1 then I think it would make for an interesting race.
 
vinodh said:
DRS is normally disabled during the first 2 laps of a race anyway. What IS available off the line is KERS. The start/finish straight in Korea is not that long. The straight after turn 2 is very long and ideal for deploying KERS on lap1/2 and and DRS from lap 3 onwards.

If the Red Bulls can get a clean start and create a greater than one second gap to the following pack, then they will most probably drive off into the distance. If Hamilton could split them on the start or even lead into turn 1 then I think it would make for an interesting race.
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Watch alonso.

Mydog explain to us this ddrs/drs off the line business you are talking about.
 
I think Ferrari are missing a trick. They should allow Massa to pass Alonso, chase down Webber and fight with him and thereby slow him down. Its almost like Ferrari are too scared of their beloved Alonso to let Massa pass him.
 
vinodh said:
I think Ferrari are missing a trick. They should allow Massa to pass Alonso, chase down Webber and fight with him and thereby slow him down. Its almost like Ferrari are too scared of their beloved Alonso to let Massa pass him.
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Wouldn't make sense, if massa got passed webber and alonso could not he loses points, they were never going to catch webber. If needed he could have upped his pace to match them.

Great drive by vettel, pretty much as expected, some amazing wheel to wheel action though. Hamilton haha wow what a shocker, that car looks horrific. Alonso did well, finished a solid third, regardless if massa could have beaten him he picked up good points.
 
killadoob said:
Wouldn't make sense, if massa got passed webber and alonso could not he loses points, they were never going to catch webber. If needed he could have upped his pace to match them.

Great drive by vettel, pretty much as expected, some amazing wheel to wheel action though. Hamilton haha wow what a shocker, that car looks horrific. Alonso did well, finished a solid third, regardless if massa could have beaten him he picked up good points.
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I disagree. If on the final lap Alnoso was still behind Webber, then Mass could have let both Webber and Alonso by thereby restoring the status quo.
 
vinodh said:
I disagree. If on the final lap Alnoso was still behind Webber, then Mass could have let both Webber and Alonso by thereby restoring the status quo.
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You are assuming massa could have caught webber which was unlikely, 3.7 second gap with mark protecting his tires. So basically you are suggesting massa pushes to pass alonso then webber and then he releases both of them. Hmmm ok.
 
Yeah, I think Ferarri did the right thing.

Massa could possibly have caught Mark, but very much doubt he would have been able to pass him at all, Mark was protecting his tyres massively.

Pity about Hamilton, he was just completely out of touch today, and that incident in the last few laps was just massively unfortunately for him (even though i dislike the little boy intensely)
 
Wow Killa... Perez couldn't even take the serious disadvantage that Macca had and pass Hamilton? Not even after an astroturf handicap :p

The DDRS thing...
Redbull have been around 6kmph slower than the higher powered cars down the long straights. DDRS has given them about 5kmph extra on a long straight. Off the line, down that long straight, they can't use that advantage. Not for the first few laps. Fortunately for them they were able to haul any advantage back and then some in the high downforce parts.

Redbull are going to be very difficult to beat hear on out. Barring somethign special from Ferrari or failure by Redbull, I think it's now Vettel's championship.
 
MyDogHasNoNose said:
Wow Killa... Perez couldn't even take the serious disadvantage that Macca had and pass Hamilton? Not even after an astroturf handicap :p

The DDRS thing...
Redbull have been around 6kmph slower than the higher powered cars down the long straights. DDRS has given them about 5kmph extra on a long straight. Off the line, down that long straight, they can't use that advantage. Not for the first few laps. Fortunately for them they were able to haul any advantage back and then some in the high downforce parts.

Redbull are going to be very difficult to beat hear on out. Barring somethign special from Ferrari or failure by Redbull, I think it's now Vettel's championship.
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Dude you must be seriously confused, off the line the straight is not long. DRS is disabled for 2 laps so i am actually really confused. You have to explain how the redbulls could use drs off that short start if it's disabled.

Both got off the line and into the corner first and second. I think you are confused but badly confused about drs.

You realize that vettel could not use it at all during the race unless he hit a back marker so again i am confused with your remarks, you can only use drs when you are within a second of a car and considering vettel lead the whole race he barely used it, same story with webber.

You are so confused about the rules, it's actually scary.
 
killadoob said:
Dude you must be seriously confused, off the line the straight is not long. DRS is disabled for 2 laps so i am actually really confused. You have to explain how the redbulls could use drs off that short start if it's disabled.

Both got off the line and into the corner first and second. I think you are confused but badly confused about drs.

You realize that vettel could not use it at all during the race unless he hit a back marker so again i am confused with your remarks, you can only use drs when you are within a second of a car and considering vettel lead the whole race he barely used it, same story with webber.

You are so confused about the rules, it's actually scary.
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Hey Killa, I think he is refferring to this, wrt the DDRS thing.:
http://f1-guide.info/2012/04/25/double-drag-reduction-system-ddrs/

If I am right, it has to do with reducing drag on the front wing.
 
When the DRS is in the open position two holes that were covered by the upper, vertical wing (the one that moves by swivelling) appear.
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My understanding is it's a double drs meaning you have to open drs to get the ddrs working. So for the first two laps it won't work, nor will it work if you are outside the one second zone.
 
killadoob said:
My understanding is it's a double drs meaning you have to open drs to get the ddrs working. So for the first two laps it won't work, nor will it work if you are outside the one second zone.
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You are correct I see:
In essence the DDRS is a pure enhancement of the DRS system and can only be used while the DRS is being used. As the DRS has only very limited use during a race it does not give the car a race pace advantage. It does give an overtaking advantage.
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killadoob said:
Dude you must be seriously confused
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Dude, that would be you.
They can't use it off the start, and they can't use it throughout the lap. They CAN use it throughout their quali lap which is why they are suddenly so flipping fast during quali. They have the downforce, they just lacked top speed with an underpowered Renault. With DDRS they have improved their straight line speed considerably.

If you read CAREFULLY and not EMOTIONALLY you will see my point was that they can't use DDRS at the start of the race and could struggle at the long straight where their top speed won't be what the higher powered engine cars are getting.

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Just after the start - around corner 2 is the long straight.
 
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mydoghasnonose said:
Redbull can't use DDRS off the line and that first straight is looooong. I think there's going to be action come corner 3
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Fitst straight excludes the start/finish straight since they start right at the end of it *cough*

killadoob said:
How would someone deploy drs or ddrs off the line? At what speed would it be effective?
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HUH? *shakes head* :p
 
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Haldex said:
Lol Hamilton went for a magic carpet ride, was hoping Perez take him on the last lap, oh well!:D
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Lol... seems Perez struggled to take that Macca even with the disadvantage it had. I'm sure he's glad he's driving it next year!
 
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Lewis had anti-roll bar failure during the race, explaining his lack of pace
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103452
Lewis Hamilton's hopes of a podium finish in the Korean Grand Prix were wrecked by a rear anti-roll bar failure.

The former world champion's pace in the race dropped away shortly after the first pit stop, with him revealing on the radio that the car felt 'nervous.'

A post-race inspection of his McLaren has revealed that a rear anti-roll bar was to blame - which caused excessive tyre wear and compromised his chances of fighting at the front.

Hamilton eventually finished 10th, after being further hampered late in the race when he ran over some artificial grass which got wrapped around turning vanes by the sidepods.

Team principal Martin Whitmarsh said: "The roll-bar went, I think, about lap 18. By then he was fighting for third place and it fell away.

"It was absolutely destroying the tyres and his balance was gone. We did all we could at the stops but he was eating the tyres, so he had to do a three-stop with tyre pressure and front wing changes, and that is all we had to try and counter it.

"The car must have been horrendous to drive, so the fact that he was fighting there with Kimi for quite a few laps and then caught the two Toro Rossos at the end, was truly remarkable.

"Then, with four or five laps to go, when he should have been able to get the Toro Rossos, he picked up the turf - which finished the day off."

Although the result effectively ended Hamilton's world championship chances – as he now lies 62 points behind Sebastian Vettel with four races remaining – Whitmarsh was full of praise for his driver's efforts.

"He just was tenacious and a fighter, so it was a heroic drive from him," he explained.

"In the one sense of course I have to be bitterly disappointed with the afternoon, but on the other sense I have to be immensely proud of his job really, because in those circumstances it is very easy to not be fighting as hard as he was.

"You could see all the way through, with an awful balance to that car with a rear anti-roll bar failure, he fought with everyone and that is Lewis as a great, great racing driver. I am immensely proud of him."
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