F1 2012 thread

Things don't look good for McLaren. Perez has made 3 driving errors in 3 straight races.

And with regards to Vettel's surge through the field; those safety cars definitelt made it a little easier. Good drive, but you need to factor those safety car periods in.
 
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thestaggy said:
Things don't look good for McLaren. Perez has made 3 driving errors in 3 straight races.

And with regards to Vettel's surge through the field; those safety cars definitelt made it a little easier. Good drive, but you need to factor those safety car periods in.
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It wasn't the safety cars that made vettel's day, it was purely down to his setup prior to the race and just pedal to the medal all race long.

Good drive, i get the sense if hamilton had done what vettel did everyone be going on about the legend of hamilton. Alonso had one of the best GP's i have ever seen when he won from 11th but wow vettel came third and was at the back of the pack twice yet it's a considered a good drive. I can't remember what hamilton did when he started from the back of the pack. Although i don't think he had to do it twice.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/04/s...onso-raikkonen-abu-dhabi/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Remarkable drive, i think we can all agree it was remarkable.
 
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Did I hear correctly and Vettel threw the "F" bomb on the podium while being interviewed by Coulthard? I lol'd ... But my word what a race! I dont like Lewis much at all, but shame I felt bad for him! And Kimi's "Just leave me alone" comment in car was plain epic.... I dig old Kimi, no bull, no glamour "thrills", just drive!
 
killadoob said:
It wasn't the safety cars that made vettel's day, it was purely down to his setup prior to the race and just pedal to the medal all race long.

Good drive, i get the sense if hamilton had done what vettel did everyone be going on about the legend of hamilton. Alonso had one of the best GP's i have ever seen when he won from 11th but wow vettel came third and was at the back of the pack twice yet it's a considered a good drive. I can't remember what hamilton did when he started from the back of the pack. Although i don't think he had to do it twice.
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So what you are saying is that without the SC, he would have pitted in lap 12 and come out back at the tail of a field that is spread by seconds between each other??? He would more likely have been 20 sec behind the last rider. He would not have been able to slice through to within 20 sec of the leader when the front runners were pitting. ....and he would not have been able to pit a second time, comeback out in the placings then have a second safety car to concertina him back to Button.

The fact is, whether it is hamilton or alonso or vettel, the SC creates an artificial race. Not sure what the alternate is, but you have a system that does not reward anyone for positions they had before the SC.

Whenever it happens, I press the off switch on the remote and go to bed. It is like watching a soccer match, one team 5-0, a player gets injured, long delay and the ref says "ok, nil all again". I am sure you wouldn't keep following soccer if that happen too many times.
 
Soccer vs racing?

How about we compare golf and tennis with f1 as well to keep it going.

The safety car makes it exciting and if you are good enough to win a race you should be good enough to stay ahead when the SC comes out like kimi. Button was not good enough to stop vettel pulling a great move but he was good enough to avoid contact unlike some of the other noobcakes :D.
 
killadoob said:
Did you even watch the race?
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yes i did on a 42 inch hi sense LCD HD screen.:wtf: if you read carefully , my assessment wasn't only limited to the last GP but was a summary of the driver performance this season. And let me take this opportunity to expand on my observations :

Alonso s average qualifying position is 6th and but has been on the podium 11 times . Retired twice and it was no fault of his own or his car.

Vettel s qualifying position is 5.33 (when we disregard the 24th place in the last race and its 4.1) has been on the podium 9 times. including 5 wins. he retired once because his alternator had a problem.

NB that basically means Vettel has a better car but Alonso is a better driver buit Vettel is a very close second to Alonso in terms of driving.
 
Vettel didn't have a better car in the beginning, yet he stuck with it.

Saying who the better driver is would be pointless, if hamilton had more luck and better team he could be right up there. I think saying alonso is better than vettel is like saying vettel is better than hamilton. They are all good and given the machines they can do some amazing things.

You are disregarding kimi who has had the worst car out of all of them yet he sits 3rd in the championship so is kimi better than alonso? See how it can become a bit silly.
 
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OF THE 18 gRAND pRIXs so far Lotus drivers have qualified in the top 10 together 11 times. i think Lotus is better than Ferrari. Grosjean is the pulling back the team. Hulkenberg or kAMUI can do a lot better in a lotus
 
Yeah... I think Kamui is a very good driver.... he would have been a good replacement for Massa at Ferrari. Why Ferrari insist on keeping Massa ??? And I agree that Grosjean is not up to scratch. And T.F MSC is out next year!
 
skyhawk said:
OF THE 18 gRAND pRIXs so far Lotus drivers have qualified in the top 10 together 11 times. i think Lotus is better than Ferrari. Grosjean is the pulling back the team. Hulkenberg or kAMUI can do a lot better in a lotus
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Well i would say ferrari has been a better car this season, yet kimi sits very close alonso, so using the logic i have read here means kimi is better than alonso and vettel.

Actually that makes kimi the best driver on the grid. So forget alonso, hamilton and vettel and look at what kimi has done with the worst car out of the 4. So kimi is the best driver in f1.
 
F1 is Car + Driver. The car can be good and the driver good. think Vettel + Red Bull. Or the Driver Good and Car not very good think Alonso + Ferrari. or both bad= Narain + HRT (he raced a few times at the discretion of the stewards)
 
Q: (Leonid Novozhilov - F1 Live) Kimi Raikkonen, how and with whom and how many days will you celebrate this win?
KR: I have almost two weeks. As long as I manage to get myself to the next race I think the team is happy. I try to get home at some point.
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Did I hear correctly and Vettel threw the "F" bomb on the podium while being interviewed by Coulthard? I lol'd ... But my word what a race! I dont like Lewis much at all, but shame I felt bad for him! And Kimi's "Just leave me alone" comment in car was plain epic.... I dig old Kimi, no bull, no glamour "thrills", just drive!
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McLaren's Lewis Hamilton said Sebastian Vettel of Red Bull was "lucky" to finish the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix on the podium after starting in the pit lane.

The German climbed through the field to take third place, one place behind title rival Fernando Alonso of Ferrari.

"(It was) incredible how he came up. He must be the luckiest driver in F1," said Hamilton, who retired from the lead before half distance.
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Somehow i doubt he is that lucky, remember vettel was on course to cruise to victory and his car gave in. Wasn't so lucky. then he has to start at the back of the grid, no exactly lucky.

WTF does hamilton think he is, o yes he is the only f1 driver to ever get into a championship winning car in his first season. That isn't luck, it's normal for talented drivers to walk into f1 and have the best car at their fingertips.

How about hamiltons second title, that wasn't lucky. The toyota making a mistake on the 3rd last corner that giving hamilton the title was pure hamilton skill.

What a chop.
 
killadoob said:
Soccer vs racing?

How about we compare golf and tennis with f1 as well to keep it going.

The safety car makes it exciting and if you are good enough to win a race you should be good enough to stay ahead when the SC comes out like kimi. Button was not good enough to stop vettel pulling a great move but he was good enough to avoid contact unlike some of the other noobcakes :D.
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SC makes it artificial in order to satisfy TV...exciting to you, but to me no longer a level playing field. Kimi was "good enough' that his car was far enough in front already and that his car didn't suffer same fate as Lewis. Exactly the point I made about SC, it brought Vettel close enough on two ocassions to the rest of field. Not everyone can stay far enough in front (otherwise you would have everyone ridiong abreast buddy) and he had then the 'luxury' of faster soft tyres.

Do some sums and take away SC laps and add everybody's lap times ...I am sure that Vettel will not have the fastest total, otherwise you would have seen plenty of Vettel 'fastest laps'.

ps...and yes it applies to canceling someone's lead in golf too, but I wouldn't have to switch off because I don't watch it, boring enough as it is.
 
It didn't bring vettel close on both occasions though, it sent him back where you he started on the first occasion. He went from 12th to last when the safety car let them go.

I watch for excitement, perhaps you enjoyed the days when michael creamed everyone but i stopped watching f1 during that phase.
 
NASCAR use what they term a "Competition Yellow". After 'x' amount of laps if there has been no warranted caution (wreck, debris on the track), they throw the yellows out, bunch the field up, allow cars to pit and allow cars to get back onto the lead lap with a free pass for those cars a lap down. They claim it is to prevent dangerous tyre wear but the consensus among the fan base is that it is done to bunch everybody up and prevent a few of the lead drivers breaking away. I've seen the them throw it out at Watkins Glen, a normal road course, at which Juan-Pablo Montoya & Marcus Ambrose (of Aussie V8 Supercar fame) were crushing the field.

On Sunday those safety cars worked in the same above way; they bunched the field up. Vettel would have probably had his way with the lower-half of the midfield, but without safety cars the top guys would have stretched away from the field making his blast onto the podium less likely. Remember he alse had to change his wing and suffered little to no time penalty. He went to the back, but due to the safety car he was right there and with much slower cars in front.

If there was no safety cars my guess is he'd probably have been held up in the mid to lower points melee involving the likes of Williams, Sauber & Force India, cars that are no slouches and drivers that would have made life a lot harder for him, especially with the brain fades that characterised the racing among the drivers of those respective teams on the day.

Obviously those yellows on Sunday were warranted, but to say they didn't make Vettel's surge through the field easier is incorrect.
 
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