F1 2023

Which team will take constructors in 2023?

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quovadis said:
I'm just pointing out that its not consistent as it shouldn't take them so long (the pit was on lap 19) to determine if a penalty was served correctly as per regulation - it's their job after all. Ocon's penalties took how long? Consistency includes timeous application too - Strategy and lap targets might have been adjusted to cater.
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yeah so 30 laps later they didnt say a thing
 
daveza said:
Interview with Alonso, says he was on the podium, he drank the champagne - between the lines means regardless of the officials, he was third.
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Think he's old and wise enough to know that it makes no difference in the bigger scheme of things. He's driving a fast car and will be on the podium again soon enough...
 
The Darkness said:
yeah so 30 laps later they didnt say a thing
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Interestingly, this is the sporting code regulation - Now considering how teams have argued meaning I'm not sure if the jack man positioning or making contact might be defined as being "worked on" ? The decision doc detailing the additional penalty hasn't been published as yet.
 
daveza said:
So he had a 5 second penalty which he 'didn't complete' - so then take 5 seconds off.

That's a total 10 second penalty minus 1 second for the touching jack.

That said if there's any justice it will be reversed for not giving the extra penalty at the time.
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It's the identical penalty that Ocon got last race, 5 second not done correctly, a 10 second then given.

daveza said:
It's a stupid rule if the driver gains no advantage.
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Pretty difficult to be so sure, remember they work down to 0.1s when timing a pit stop, getting the jack in the right place in advance could easily give a 0.5s advantage.
 
Dave said:
It's the identical penalty that Ocon got last race, 5 second not done correctly, a 10 second then given.



Pretty difficult to be so sure, remember they work down to 0.1s when timing a pit stop, getting the jack in the right place in advance could easily give a 0.5s advantage.
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Nothing wrong with getting the prep done, otherwise they may as well apply it to getting tyres into position too. As long as there no work done on the car it seems fair...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Nothing wrong with getting the prep done, otherwise they may as well apply it to getting tyres into position too. As long as there no work done on the car it seems fair...
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You can do prep, you just can't touch the car, in the same way they can't put the wheel guns on the wheels in preparation either.
 
Dave said:
You can do prep, you just can't touch the car, in the same way they can't put the wheel guns on the wheels in preparation either.
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I'm not sure that "touch" is equivalent to "worked on" and that's at least a valid argument for appeal.
 
at the last lap of the race, the Stewards received a report from race control that they considered that the penalty was not properly served by CAR 14 and they asked the Stewards to investigate the matter
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They stated that what was agreed at the SAC meetings with the teams was that no part of the car could be touched while a penalty was being served as this would constitute working on the car
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we concluded that there was no clear agreement, as was suggested to the Stewards previously, that could be relied upon to determine that parties had agreed that a jack touching a car would amount to working on the car
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Seems like "you are not allowed to touch the car" has never been an official agreement - so lots of miscommunication to everyone about that.

I can only assume it's Mercedes that have "suggested" what the agreement was towards the Stewards (or race control).
 
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