F1 2025

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Willie Trombone said:
So who's your WC for 2025?
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I'm hoping Piastri at this stage. Or even Russell has a chance as he is quite consistent. maybe even Max, Lewis and Charles has as big a chance as Norris in spite of their poor start to the year. Norris just doesn't have the grit fight hard and rough, too much of a pansy. I'm happy to be proven wrong at the end of the year though.

And if, by a long shot, Norris does pull it off, it won't happen without the team favouring him over Piastri.
 
Willie Trombone said:
You talk about consistency yet....

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And then we won't talk about last year. But hey, I like that you hope. Dreams are good.
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If he was consistent enough he would've won last year, he did not. And this year is only 3 races in, a lot can still happen. It's best to not count your chickens until they have hatched. ;)
 
Craig_ said:
Other champions, as if he is one already. Drives around in the fastest car but can't even win consistently. He doesn't have the balls it requires to be a champion.
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They should just unleash Oscar. He'll win it this year if they allow him to...
 
Craig_ said:
If he was consistent enough he would've won last year, he did not. And this year is only 3 races in, a lot can still happen. It's best to not count your chickens until they have hatched. ;)
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Ignoring the fact that McLaren started 2024 off slow, Max ad done enough in the first half of the season to cover Norris when momentum started shifting. The season also got more competitive at the midpoint with both Mercedes and Ferrari proving capable of winning.

If Norris did have a slim chance of winning, it was probably wrecked by McLaren anyway because they waited too long to start talking about team orders, allowing both drivers to compete with one another, which as I pointed out in the 2024 thread was a very McLaren thing to do.
 
thestaggy said:
Ignoring the fact that McLaren started 2024 off slow, Max ad done enough in the first half of the season to cover Norris when momentum started shifting. The season also got more competitive at the midpoint with both Mercedes and Ferrari proving capable of winning.

If Norris did have a slim chance of winning, it was probably wrecked by McLaren anyway because they waited too long to start talking about team orders, allowing both drivers to compete with one another, which as I pointed out in the 2024 thread was a very McLaren thing to do.
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Yeah, team orders, that's the one way lando has a chance...
 
thestaggy said:
Ignoring the fact that McLaren started 2024 off slow, Max ad done enough in the first half of the season to cover Norris when momentum started shifting. The season also got more competitive at the midpoint with both Mercedes and Ferrari proving capable of winning.

If Norris did have a slim chance of winning, it was probably wrecked by McLaren anyway because they waited too long to start talking about team orders, allowing both drivers to compete with one another, which as I pointed out in the 2024 thread was a very McLaren thing to do.
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They've done it in reverse this year. Now they have team orders from the start. They should be allowed to race until a clear leader emerges, and then push team orders.

Norris was clearly in the lead last year and they waited too long to establish the order...
 
Craig_ said:
Yeah, team orders, that's the one way lando has a chance...
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When Max started his barren run of wins and McLaren started building momentum, he had an 88-point gap, which essentially required Lando to win 4 races and Max to DNF/drive like an idiot as many times. EDIT: And as we all know, Max is an alien, so as much as Norris needed to be near perfect, you'd have needed Max to have stooped to Perez's level to chuck the championship away, and that wasn't going to happen.

And yes, team orders have been in F1 from the beginning. In the 50s team orders occurred in practically every race. Even the great Fangio benefitted from them, winning his first title in 1951 thanks to team orders after his teammate - Luigi Fagioli - was instructed to hand his car over to Fangio mid-race.
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
They've done it in reverse this year. Now they have team orders from the start. They should be allowed to race until a clear leader emerges, and then push team orders.

Norris was clearly in the lead last year and they waited too long to establish the order...
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It may be early, but at least McLaren are learning.

They nearly screwed Hakkinen in 1999 by allowing Coulthard to quite literally attack Hakkinen, culminating in Coulthard punting Hakkinen out of the lead in Austria and again bashing in to him at Spa.

And of course, 2007, which was their title to win, but allowing their drivers to fight saw Kimi and Ferrari to smash-and-grab the title away.
 
Snorefest
At least most people are now starting to see that F1 have never seen the like of Max's driving skills.

Tsunoda actually looked good. One slip up in Q2 and that had him sit in the back with little chance to overtake on this track

Mclaren? Thats what you get by sitting with 2 average drivers. That car should win every race by 20s if they had a great driver. Piastri had enough time, he should now start to dominate or forever remain a average driver.

Why all the talk about Merc? last time I checked they were far behind Leclerc, only caught up at the end when everyone settled down. Yes they beat grandpa, but thats expected.

Lawson must pull a rabbit out of his had otherwise hos F1 career will be over at the end of the year.

Aston needs a good driver, one idiot and one grandpa will get you nowhere.
 
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