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Ferrari’s Belgian GP update fails to impress Gary Anderson following Mugello F1 testing: https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-b...s-gary-anderson-following-mugello-f1-testing/

"... Renowned technical analyst Gary Anderson expressed that he is not observing as much benefit from Ferrari’s rear suspension upgrade as initially anticipated. Although the Mugello filming day was a private test ahead of the Belgian GP—which will feature just one practice session due to its status as an F1 Sprint event—images of the rear suspension changes quickly emerged from the circuit.

Anderson pointed out that Ferrari modified the mounting point of the front wishbone of their pull-rod rear suspension to the gearbox, a change intended to enhance the car’s stability and allow it to run closer to the ground. However, he indicated to The Race that the results of this modification appear underwhelming relative to expectations.

He explained that Ferrari has reportedly faced compromises in rear ride height in an effort to reduce plank wear. While the damper on the suspension does not directly control the car’s rear height, it affects the rate of change in ride height, particularly in relation to aerodynamic porpoising—a vibration caused by airflow separation and reattachment under the car.

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Ferrari’s damper adjustment is designed to shift the frequency of this ride height change away from the problematic aerodynamic oscillations. Additionally, Anderson noted that Ferrari increased the anti-lift feature on the rear suspension’s top wishbone forward leg. Despite these engineering efforts, Anderson feels the upgrade has delivered less of an improvement than expected given the scope of the changes.

Comparisons have also been drawn between Ferrari’s rear suspension upgrade and Mercedes’ recent design enhancements. Mercedes first introduced their new rear suspension concept at Imola and reintroduced it with refinements at the Canadian Grand Prix, where George Russell capitalized on it to win from pole position.

Anderson praised Mercedes’ rear suspension upgrade as a ‘win-win’ solution, highlighting how it helped Russell better manage rear wheelspin and tyre temperatures while enabling the car to run lower to the ground with improved stability. In contrast, Ferrari’s upgrade is seen as less advanced technologically, but the team hopes it will at least address the issues that have hampered their performance this season.

Ferrari’s challenges have included excessive skid block wear, which resulted in Lewis Hamilton’s disqualification from the 2025 Chinese Grand Prix after the SF-25 was found to be running too low. The new rear suspension is intended to mitigate such issues by improving ride height control without sacrificing speed. ..."
 
Pirelli's preview of the Belgian GP

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Red Bull staff left dumbfounded after unhappy Marko and Mintzlaff comments:
— Some Red Bull team members were reportedly left in shock following comments from Helmut Marko and Oliver Mintzlaff after the dismissal of Christian Horner and two other senior figures. According to British media, the handling of the news by Marko and Mintzlaff did not sit well with the staff. A female Red Bull worker shared her experience with the British newspaper:
“It was only a day after Christian was sacked and a lot of the team were still upset when Mr Marko addressed us. But he just made a joke of it and told us to cheer up. He said, 'You need to smile more'. It didn't endear him to anyone as what is there to smile about?”
— The departure of Chief Marketing Officer Oliver Hughes and Director of Communications Paul Smith has also reportedly left staff confused. Another employee recounted Mintzlaff's comments:
“Mintzlaff also said, 'If you have any problems, just text your line manager'. Then he added, 'Oh, and if you don't have a line manager any more, just text me!' and started laughing.”
— Christian Horner, in a leaked video, addressed the staff at Milton Keynes for his farewell speech, expressing his surprise and gratitude:
“I was informed by Red Bull that operationally I would no longer be involved with the business or the team moving forward. I will still remain employed by the company, but, operationally the baton will be handed over. It came as a shock to myself.”
“I've had a chance to reflect over the last 12 hours and wanted to stand in front of all of you to break this news and to express my gratitude to each and every single member of the team that has given so much during the last 20-and-a-half years.”
“When I arrived 20 years ago, there were a few less grey hairs. I walked into a team and did not know what to expect but I was immediately welcomed and we started to build what became a powerhouse in F1. Watching and being part of this team, has been the biggest privilege of my life.”

This is Formula 1​


What a great workplace.
 
Seems they're on a one-way train at the moment. Hopefully the geriatrics can be removed and they can turn things around. I've never been an RB fan, but I don't like seeing them implode and certainly wouldn't want to see them leave the grid, or race at the back of it.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Seems they're on a one-way train at the moment. Hopefully the geriatrics can be removed and they can turn things around. I've never been an RB fan, but I don't like seeing them implode and certainly wouldn't want to see them leave the grid, or race at the back of it.
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I think it is inevitable that they will slip down the ranking a bit after this and if Max leaves, it is a given.

But they have too much invested in F1, so they will be back at some point
 
red bull heard F1 is about being fast, so they are seeing how fast they can fall from the front
 
One has to laugh at the British mafia and their sheep here on MBB.
Red Bull is only 20 years in F1
The last 16 years they only finished outside the top 3 in Championship once.(4th 2015)
In that 16 years they won the title 6 times and came second 5 times.

Funny that people now think they going to implode and be a backmarker team.

LOL but for decades Williams and Mclaren was and even still is, nowhere. Maybe you lot should rather focus on that, than on the ifs and maybes.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
One has to laugh at the British mafia and their sheep here on MBB.
Red Bull is only 20 years in F1
The last 16 years they only finished outside the top 3 in Championship once.(4th 2015)
In that 16 years they won the title 6 times and came second 5 times.

Funny that people now think they going to implode and be a backmarker team.

LOL but for decades Williams and Mclaren was and even still is, nowhere. Maybe you lot should rather focus on that, than on the ifs and maybes.
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Yeah but look at the team behind that success in the last 16 years that is not there anymore. Sorry, but guys like Marshall, Newey, Wheatley will be difficult to replace and they all fcked off in the last year or so and ever since then the performance has gone downhill only with Max saving face with his driving. If Max was not there this year, where do you think they would be in the standings?

I don't think they will just fall away, but it is quite evident they need to rebuild. Might take a few years and then of course I could be wrong and they are back on top next year.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1948328003458543624

"At Spa we will see the new rear suspension on the SF-25 with a lower pick up point of the top wishbone’s front leg to have more antisquat. To show this parameter we use a similar solution introduced by Ferrari at the Canadian Gp in 2011."

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1945919185617391751

" Telemetry data shows that the new suspension is working in synergy with the new floor introduced in Austria and is providing positive signs. The new package offers an improvement of approximately 0.1 seconds.
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Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
One has to laugh at the British mafia and their sheep here on MBB.
Red Bull is only 20 years in F1
The last 16 years they only finished outside the top 3 in Championship once.(4th 2015)
In that 16 years they won the title 6 times and came second 5 times.

Funny that people now think they going to implode and be a backmarker team.

LOL but for decades Williams and Mclaren was and even still is, nowhere. Maybe you lot should rather focus on that, than on the ifs and maybes.
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Red Bull are still a young team in relation to Williams, McLaren and Ferrari.

Williams were world champions in their 4th season of competing. In their first 20-years in F1 they won 9 WCC and 7 WDC. Since then, nothing.

Aside from the teams still in F1, nobody ever thought the likes of Lotus, Tyrrell and Brabham would fall off their pedestals, let alone go out of business. Until they did. Lotus specifically was noted for being technical innovators under Colin Chapman and were always at or near the top of F1, until Chapman passed away.

Also, Adrian Newey, which is something Williams can relate to. Newey left Williams and they have never been the same again.

Red Bull are entering new territory without Newey and without Max, they may very well have one of the worst cars on the grid as evidenced by the struggles of Perez, Lawson and Tsunoda. They may yet endure the hardships every other team in F1 has.
 
thestaggy said:
Red Bull are still a young team in relation to Williams, McLaren and Ferrari.

Williams were world champions in their 4th season of competing. In their first 20-years in F1 they won 9 WCC and 7 WDC. Since then, nothing.

Aside from the teams still in F1, nobody ever thought the likes of Lotus, Tyrrell and Brabham would fall off their pedestals, let alone go out of business. Until they did. Lotus specifically was noted for being technical innovators under Colin Chapman and were always at or near the top of F1, until Chapman passed away.

Also, Adrian Newey, which is something Williams can relate to. Newey left Williams and they have never been the same again.

Red Bull are entering new territory without Newey and without Max, they may very well have one of the worst cars on the grid as evidenced by the struggles of Perez, Lawson and Tsunoda. They may yet endure the hardships every other team in F1 has.
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You fail to mention that Red Bull entered F1 when its was way more competitive because way more money is involved, than when Williams was on a high.
Ferrari was on top without Newey
Merc was on top without Newey.
Red Bull like to market sporting and extreme events, that is where their target market is. They have money to spend, Unless that change I don't see them being down for too long. You don't have to finish 1st to be one of the top teams.
Everyone is busy with armchair predictions of what the future will hold, as if its fact.
Just like we heard that Merc will be the team to beat with new regulations in 2022. LOL it did not happen.
Now we hear the same thing again for next year.
We also had to listen here and in the British media how Hamilton is going to win another championship this year in the Ferrari. That did not happen, he can't even beat his teammate.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
You fail to mention that Red Bull entered F1 when its was way more competitive because way more money is involved, than when Williams was on a high.
Ferrari was on top without Newey
Merc was on top without Newey.
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Red Bull have never tasted success without Newey. This is a new era for them.

But to respond to your points about the other teams: Ferrari have gone through bad times in their history. Heck, look at their 1980 season. Went from drivers and constructor's champions in 1979 to picking up 8 points in 1980. And since then they have had ups and downs. Sometiems barely ahead of the midfield teams, then a period of sustained success with Michael-Todt-Brawn-Byrne.

In terms of success rate, Merc are the most successful team in F1 (39% win rate, been drivers and constructors' champions in over 50% of the championships they have entered), but the recent years (2022 - present) have, by their standards, been the worst in their history.

Point I am making; no F1 team in history has consistently been at the top. They all have their low periods and the sport has also lost a number of legendary teams.

Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Red Bull like to market sporting and extreme events, that is where their target market is. They have money to spend, Unless that change I don't see them being down for too long. You don't have to finish 1st to be one of the top teams.
Everyone is busy with armchair predictions of what the future will hold, as if its fact.
Just like we heard that Merc will be the team to beat with new regulations in 2022. LOL it did not happen.
Now we hear the same thing again for next year.
We also had to listen here and in the British media how Hamilton is going to win another championship this year in the Ferrari. That did not happen, he can't even beat his teammate.
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Likewise, you are supremely confident that Red Bull will be immune to the realities of F1; all teams hit a rough patch.
 
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