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thestaggy said:
How did you do it?

I found this points simulator built for F1 - https://www.formula1points.com/simulator/points-simulator/1980

  • Points: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1
  • 1 pt for the fastest lap but only if the driver is inside the top-10

Prost: 1980-1991, 1993
2509.5 points (5th all-time)
He also wins a 5th World Championship by beating Lauda to the 1984 title by 2.5 points.

Senna: 1984-1994
1874 points (7th all-time)

Schumacher: 1991-2006, 2010-2012
3961 points (2nd all-time, behind only Hamilton)
He potentially loses the 1994 title to Hill as the current points systems would have meant Hill wins the championship by finishing behind Schumacher in Adelaide, so there is a chance Hill doesn't even try and overtake for the win and isn't shunted out of the race by Michael. Schumacher does still try and crash into Villeneuve in 1997 though as finishing behind Villeneuve in that race would see him lose the championship by 1 point.
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I used the magic of AI, I just asked it to calculate all the drivers scoring from 1950 till today if they used the same points scoring system as we do in 2025.

If Senna hadn't died he would still hold all the records by a mile, and Schumacher may just be a great driver and not the ultimate.
Senna would have won the championship in 1994,1995,1996,1997 that much is clear... you just have to look at how Williams performed and where Senna would have been.

To me Senna is a machine, but Prost is better and a lot more methodical, he knew how to win and what to do and when to do it... not just win everything.
 
thestaggy said:
How did you do it?

I found this points simulator built for F1 - https://www.formula1points.com/simulator/points-simulator/1980

  • Points: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1
  • 1 pt for the fastest lap but only if the driver is inside the top-10

Prost: 1980-1991, 1993
2509.5 points (5th all-time)
He also wins a 5th World Championship by beating Lauda to the 1984 title by 2.5 points.

Senna: 1984-1994
1874 points (7th all-time)

Schumacher: 1991-2006, 2010-2012
3961 points (2nd all-time, behind only Hamilton)
He potentially loses the 1994 title to Hill as the current points systems would have meant Hill wins the championship by finishing behind Schumacher in Adelaide, so there is a chance Hill doesn't even try and overtake for the win and isn't shunted out of the race by Michael. Schumacher does still try and crash into Villeneuve in 1997 though as finishing behind Villeneuve in that race would see him lose the championship by 1 point.
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I remember in the 80's at one stage they could only count the 16 ( not sure my memory is not so good anymore) best scores for the season and the other points were discarded.
 
@Mike Hoxbig Cars are more reliable now than ever, more races than in the past, drivers have longer careers now etc etc.

So, this is what I done:
  • Took drivers representing the best of their eras, most of whom are in the GOAT debate. They are; Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Mansell, Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Vettel and Verstappen.
  • I used the current points system; 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1
  • I took their total points and divided it by their race starts.
  1. Fangio - 808 points @ 15.84 pts/start (I believe using any points system puts Fangio as #1)
  2. Hamilton - 5167.5 points @ 14.31 pts/start
  3. Verstappen - 2965.5 points @ 13.86 pts/start
  4. Schumacher - 3890 points @ 12.71 pts/start (Loses '94 but wins in '97 under the current points and system)
  5. Prost - 2470 points @ 12.41 pts/start (Prost is a 7-time WDC using current points and scoring system)
  6. Clark - 836 points @ 11.61 pts/start
  7. Senna - 1859.5 points @ 11.55 pts/start
  8. Stewart - 1109 points @ 11.20 pts/start
  9. Vettel - 3282 points @ 10.98 pts/start
  10. Mansell - 1500 points @ 8.02 pts/start
  11. Raikkonen - 2791 points @ 8.00 pts/start
  12. Lauda - 1337 points @ 7.82 pts/start (Loses his '84 WDC to Prost, but beats Hunt in '76 under the current points and system)
  13. Alonso - 3168 points @ 7.80 pts/start
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Then you also have a guy like Alberto Ascari, who is often forgotten because of Fangio, but using the above criteria he comes out with an average of 13.16 points/start over his brief but successful career, placing him 4th on the list.
 
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thestaggy said:
@Mike Hoxbig Cars are more reliable now than ever, more races than in the past, drivers have longer careers now etc etc.

So, this is what I done:
  • Took drivers representing the best of their eras, most of whom are in the GOAT debate. They are; Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Mansell, Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Vettel and Verstappen.
  • I used the current points system; 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1
  • I took their total points and divided it by their race starts.
  1. Fangio - 808 points @ 15.84 pts/start (I believe using any points system puts Fangio as #1)
  2. Hamilton - 5167.5 points @ 14.31 pts/start
  3. Verstappen - 2965.5 points @ 13.86 pts/start
  4. Schumacher - 3890 points @ 12.71 pts/start (Loses '94 but wins in '97 under the current points and system)
  5. Prost - 2470 points @ 12.41 pts/start (Prost is a 7-time WDC using current points and scoring system)
  6. Clark - 836 points @ 11.61 pts/start
  7. Senna - 1859.5 points @ 11.55 pts/start
  8. Stewart - 1109 points @ 11.20 pts/start
  9. Vettel - 3282 points @ 10.98 pts/start
  10. Mansell - 1500 points @ 8.02 pts/start
  11. Raikkonen - 2791 points @ 8.00 pts/start
  12. Lauda - 1337 points @ 7.82 pts/start (Loses his '84 WDC to Prost, but beats Hunt in '76 under the current points and system)
  13. Alonso - 3168 points @ 7.80 pts/start
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I suspected Fangio would come out tops...
 
satanboy said:
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> Be F1M
> Decide on new formula rule change for 2026
> Manufacturers like it a lot
> New manufacturers join for 2026 regs
> MBS decides to slap V10s in the cars instead for 2028
> Manufacturers panic
> Facepalming occurs all around
> Everybody has a big meeting to discuss V10 change
> F1 rejects V10s for 2028, doubles down on 2026 regs
> Manufacturers happy again
> (to be continued...)

Keep your eyes peeled on what MBS does next. He's a slippery fella.
 
Agent_Smith said:
Someone with loads of time on their hands needs to work out how many points the likes of Senna, Prost and Schumacher would have scored under the current system.
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Somebody did do something similar and the numbers showed that Prost would've won 8 WDC's under the new points system (all other things aside obviously).
 
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Willie Trombone said:
Who's the best is the hardest question to answer in any sport, especially over time.
Boxing? Sugar Ray Robinson / Mike Tyson / Muhammad Ali
F1? Senna / Prost / Schumacher / Hamilton / Fangio
Rugby? All Blacks / Springboks (don't ask me to mention players, could be here all day lol).
etc.

Pick your fave and get on with life lol. I guess it's fun discussing. Would make a nice trump card set. Not that trump.
I'd have a hard time picking between Prost and Fangio myself Senna sadly wasn't around long enough for me.
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Ali, Clark, Bokke, done.
 
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Max Verstappen telemetry provides new clear evidence in controversial penalty

Max Verstappen was not pushed off at Turn 1 at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix as he would never have made the corner.
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Max Verstappen was not pushed off at Turn 1 at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix as even if Oscar Piastri had not been in the equation, he would never have made the corner.

That’s the opinion of former F1 driver Jolyon Palmer, who revealed the Red Bull driver was carrying more speed into Turn 1 at the start of the Grand Prix than he did on his pole position lap in a “Hail Mary move” to stay ahead.

It was always a “Hail Mary” move according to former F1 driver Palmer, who revealed telemetry data to show there was no way Verstappen was ever going to make the corner.
 
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