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thestaggy said:
TL;DR - Made up a couple of places but lost a lot of time in traffic, ended up burning up his tyres pushing for little reward, brought the car home in the points.
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Everybody had traffic to deal with.

After Hadjar had pitted Hamilton was in 5th by lap 17, and only 6.4 sec behind Verstappen, and he had clear air to push so he could jump Hadjar in the pit stop, which he did by lap 19, so he was a net 5th place now and already 1 pit stop ahead from the top 4 guys. You want to tell me he couldn't make up time to at least challenge Verstappen for fourth. That Ferrari was capable of doing that at least. So, Hamilton was in a position to do an undercut on Verstappen, or at least close the gap he had to him before his pit stop. Tire deg is not that high and can be pushed here all the way, the top 4 managed to do that.

Nah, sorry, to many excuses.

And Hamilton should get a new race engineer... not Italian... the guy is a muppet.

There was a race where Schumi in 2006 (his infamous parking pole) was at the back of the grid and fought all the way through to 5th at least, and he never gave up or settled for safety... it's about the fight, never say die attitude, especially at Monaco.
 
MaxQz said:
Everybody had traffic to deal with.

After Hadjar had pitted Hamilton was in 5th by lap 17, and only 6.4 sec behind Verstappen, and he had clear air to push so he could jump Hadjar in the pit stop, which he did by lap 19, so he was a net 5th place now and already 1 pit stop ahead from the top 4 guys. You want to tell me he couldn't make up time to at least challenge Verstappen for fourth. That Ferrari was capable of doing that at least. So, Hamilton was in a position to do an undercut on Verstappen, or at least close the gap he had to him before his pit stop. Tire deg is not that high and can be pushed here all the way, the top 4 managed to do that.

Nah, sorry, to many excuses.

And Hamilton should get a new race engineer... not Italian... the guy is a muppet.
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He made up more places than any other driver in the top 10.

The top 4 finished exactly where they started. The other drivers in the top 10 all gained one place from Alonso's retirement. Hamilton was the only one to make up another place by getting by Hadjar.

Where would you have realistically expected him to finish after starting 7th at Monaco, any way? The podium was absolutely never going to happen. No chance in hell and even the almighty Max Verstappen proved that. Like Hamilton, Max was hoping for a safety car to get more out of that race and in the end, he finished exactly where he started. If Max himself was 17-seconds off the podium in the end, how much closer would you have expected Hamilton to be having come from 3 places further back?


MaxQz said:
There was a race where Schumi in 2006 (his infamous parking pole) was at the back of the grid and fought all the way through to 5th at least, and he never gave up or settled for safety... it's about the fight, never say die attitude, especially at Monaco.
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Comparing 2006 to 2025...

These cars are boats, and it is already difficult to overtake in general. Around Monaco it is near impossible, and this was proven with there being the one on-track overtake during the whole race, and it came on the very last lap. Everybody else made their overtakes via the pits or retirements.

He obviously didn't have a great race, but all things considered, what in the heck did his critics expect him to do? And it is quite strange that the consensus around this race is that it was extremely boring with talk of how to improve overtaking, yet we have folks wanting to single Hamilton out for not charging through the field. Come on man.
 
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Is Monaco still fit for modern Formula 1?

Did the FIA’s bold attempt to improve the event backfire? John Maytham interviews famed motorsport journalist Hendrik Verwoed.
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"Unless they change the layout of the circuit or unless they change the cars dramatically from the current heavy, wide cars, we are not going to see a lot of overtaking in the streets of Monte Carlo... and we should accept that. The race has magic for different reasons, not for its multitude of overtaking opportunities."
- Hendrik Verwoed, motorsport journalist

Which reasons, yachts and rich people?
 
daveza said:
www.primediaplus.com

Is Monaco still fit for modern Formula 1?

Did the FIA’s bold attempt to improve the event backfire? John Maytham interviews famed motorsport journalist Hendrik Verwoed.
www.primediaplus.com www.primediaplus.com

"Unless they change the layout of the circuit or unless they change the cars dramatically from the current heavy, wide cars, we are not going to see a lot of overtaking in the streets of Monte Carlo... and we should accept that. The race has magic for different reasons, not for its multitude of overtaking opportunities."
- Hendrik Verwoed, motorsport journalist

Which reasons, yachts and rich people?
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More importantly, what does it have to do with apartheid...
 
As I understand it, the problem re overtaking is not related to no long straights, but to the track in general being too narrow.

Making the track longer doesn't seem a solution.
 
Wrath of Khan MD said:
why not just remove the stupid chicane, longer straight = a chance to use DRS for overtaking? problem solved...

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The cars would arrive at Tabac at enormous speeds (easily over 300 km/h) with zero runoff. Someone sending it up the inside there and getting it wrong would be in for a horrible shunt.
 
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Make it a Heritage race.
Most of the teams have a Museum of Historic F1 cars so pick a year, late 90' early 20's that most teams have a car for.
Teams that are too new may borrow/rent a classic from an older team.
We may still not get good racing but it would look stunning.
 
daveza said:
As I understand it, the problem re overtaking is not related to no long straights, but to the track in general being too narrow.

Making the track longer doesn't seem a solution.
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Narrow tracks are a problem, San Marino and Mugello have/had the same issues, but the increase in length and weight have also been major factors as to why overtaking has become difficult across the board.

Comparing the 2025 cars to 2005 cars.

Over 1m longer - 5.63m vs 4.55m
~200kgs heavier - 800kg vs 608kg. These are minimums.

Width wise there is a ~20cm difference. Noticeable, but nothing like how much longer and fatter they have gotten. Lance Stroll has specifically commented on the weight, citing that the cars feel heavy and you can't just chuck them around. They have lost their ''go-kart'' traits.
 
caroper said:
Make it a Heritage race.
Most of the teams have a Museum of Historic F1 cars so pick a year, late 90' early 20's that most teams have a car for.
Teams that are too new may borrow/rent a classic from an older team.
We may still not get good racing but it would look stunning.
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There already is a biannual historic race held at Monaco in the lead up to the Grand Prix.

en.wikipedia.org

Historic Grand Prix of Monaco - Wikipedia

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Was gonna suggest reverse grid but we saw what happens when someone decides to go slow and let a team mate ahead get an advantage. Same thing will happen
 
Make it a team relay running race - including team principals - with spin about encouraging healthy lifestyles.

If you really want cars, then put each driver in a soapbox kart and have the pit crew push them round for 5 laps.
 
daveza said:
www.primediaplus.com

Is Monaco still fit for modern Formula 1?

Did the FIA’s bold attempt to improve the event backfire? John Maytham interviews famed motorsport journalist Hendrik Verwoed.
www.primediaplus.com www.primediaplus.com

"Unless they change the layout of the circuit or unless they change the cars dramatically from the current heavy, wide cars, we are not going to see a lot of overtaking in the streets of Monte Carlo... and we should accept that. The race has magic for different reasons, not for its multitude of overtaking opportunities."
- Hendrik Verwoed, motorsport journalist

Which reasons, yachts and rich people?
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

I'll continue to watch Monaco every year. Not for the racing, but because it's Monaco and has attracted me since I first started watching F1 in the days of Schumacher. You either get it, or you don't. I'm happy with the 23 other races this year to watch proper racing and overtakes.
 
FlashSA said:
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

I'll continue to watch Monaco every year. Not for the racing, but because it's Monaco and has attracted me since I first started watching F1 in the days of Schumacher. You either get it, or you don't. I'm happy with the 23 other races this year to watch proper racing and overtakes.
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The reason I will continue to watch it is because it is the one race that my Wife asks me to put on the big screen for her and her Mother to watch. So it may not be great racing but it is a Great Family fun afternoon, especially as they keep the food and wine flowing. :giggle:
 
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