Family Intervention Project

[Arbiter]

This is the UK nanny-state taking it one step too far.

http://www.nelincs.gov.uk/AtoZ/atozDetail?ID=7973

At this meeting the family are informed of the support being offered by all the agencies and which agency is doing what. They are also reminded that if they refuse to accept the support then agreed sanctions may be pursued.

These sanctions are usually to pursue an ASBO or to take action via the tenancy provider. If the family improve their behaviour then ASBO action could be rescinded and full tenancy rights reinstated.

It would seem apparent that the UK has its fair share of misfits and idiots, as mercurial tends to point out (no problem there. Not shooting the messenger). They most certainly do.

We point and laugh and shake our heads at the idiocy of those people. The 12 year old boy getting a sex change is the latest. Some time ago, a few 500-pounder walking hamburgers who spend ten hours a day in front of the television had the spotlight.

We laugh only because we believe we will never be affected by something like that. We are (most of us) well mannered and have IQs at least somewhat above 5.

You probably don't do anything significantly idiotic. Pity though that the definition of idiotic today will be the definition of sane tomorrow. The definition of insane today will be the definition of politically correct tomorrow.

It's no coincidence that these type of articles are increasing exponentially in number. The idiotic people have always been around and they haven't increased as much in the past few years. But the reports have increased.

Lazy fat people who don't work, yet suck millions off of the UK's health scheme to get lipo'ed, parents being retarded and screwing up the lives of their children by not enforcing any basic rules or manners.

People who simply cannot handle the freedom to do things their own way. People simply begging for the government to intervene in their useless, worthless, pathetic lives.

These are articles that throw the apparent necessity for government intervention into the spotlight with a feel of propaganda that belongs in WWII Germany.

Guardian Newspaper
13 July 2015:

"How to instruct your children to respect authority...

Failure to meet with these specifications will result in investigation under the Family Intervention Project due to perpetration of anti-social behaviour."

Just wait for it.

 

[BinaryJack]

Yes, there is a reason why this has been put in place though and it goes beyond "idiocy" as you put it.

There have been several cases in the last year where the social services failed children.
Baby P is and the 8 year old that hanged herself not too long ago.
This was also mentioned when they discussed the 2x 11 year olds that tortured another 2 boys of 10 and 9 (cant remember the fine details).

On all cases, the social services were involved on numerous occasions but nothing was done.

 

[Arbiter]

Wait a minute, you sound like you're approving of this? Or are you saying it's an idiotic reason why they implemented the idea?

People were advocating LSD in the water supply in the sixties. People were executing students in draft protests around about the same time. Anti social behaviour has been present since the beginning of time. We've come very far since then and anti social behaviour has not decreased or increased enough to warrant such an invasive, despicable violation of human rights.

So why is such a project necessary?

 

[BinaryJack]

Wait a minute, you sound like you're approving of this? Or are you saying it's an idiotic reason why they implemented the idea?

People were advocating LSD in the water supply in the sixties. People were executing students in draft protests around about the same time. Anti social behaviour has been present since the beginning of time. We've come very far since then and anti social behaviour has not decreased or increased enough to warrant such an invasive, despicable violation of human rights.

So why is such a project necessary?

Did you actually read the link you posted?
It comes across through your posts that you don't understand what the FIP is and what it is meant to achieve.

If it will stop the innocent death through torture like Baby P and stop an 8 year old hanging herself and 2 teens torturing another.
Then my answer is a clear, resounding Yes!

 

[Arbiter]

The deaths of a million innocent children are worth the preservation of freedom.

Because history is full of hundreds of millions who have died to protect us from tyrants and from corrupt states. Don't you understand that? By allowing a government to intervene on such a level, one that will only escalate further, we are betraying all the people who have died to protect what we are. The 6000+ soldiers who died on the beaches of Omaha, the 18-25 million Russians that died fighting Hitler and the 60 million civilians that died in WWII. Not to mention the million that died in six months in the Somme in WWI. And that only in the last hundred years.

But now that tyranny comes under the blanket of a media onslaught on stupid people, now that government intervention is seen as necessary because some humans seem to be worth less than animals and others can't control their pathetic lives, we welcome it. We do not fight for our freedom like the archaic people of old. We applaud its abolition.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

Norsefire

 

[Arbiter]

And with the conservative party set to win the next election in the UK, I'm sure we'll be seeing some interesting things in the next few years.

Pity most people still can't understand what's happening; either that or they don't care.

 

[BinaryJack]

And with the conservative party set to win the next election in the UK, I'm sure we'll be seeing some interesting things in the next few years.

Pity most people still can't understand what's happening; either that or they don't care.

Or you are just paranoid?

 

[Arbiter]

Paranoid, what a wonderful, psychological term.

Does extrapolating political and social circumstances, based on very obvious and confirmed data, to events that are nearly certain to happen in the future, make me paranoid? Does an actuary or economist not do similar things? Or does the fact that the result I find is not very comforting, make me paranoid?

 

[BinaryJack]

Paranoid, what a wonderful, psychological term.

Does extrapolating political and social circumstances, based on very obvious and confirmed data, to events that are nearly certain to happen in the future, make me paranoid? Does an actuary or economist not do similar things? Or does the fact that the result I find is not very comforting, make me paranoid?

No, not at all!
Your last couple of posts dont read like paranoid delusions at all!

People were advocating LSD in the water supply in the sixties. People were executing students in draft protests around about the same time. Anti social behaviour has been present since the beginning of time. We've come very far since then and anti social behaviour has not decreased or increased enough to warrant such an invasive, despicable violation of human rights.

But now that tyranny comes under the blanket of a media onslaught on stupid people, now that government intervention is seen as necessary because some humans seem to be worth less than animals and others can't control their pathetic lives, we welcome it. We do not fight for our freedom like the archaic people of old. We applaud its abolition.

No, not paranoid at all!

The deaths of a million innocent children are worth the preservation of freedom.

At the cost of their freedom?

Your comprehension of the FIP and it's ramifications is clearly misguided.
It is not there to be used as a nanny-state but there to protect the innocent.

 

[Arbiter]

Kage, maybe you should stick to the science and philosophy department until you've gained some experience in political matters.

Protect the innocent? Did you even bother to read the thing?

They want to take Anti-social families and retrain them into less anti-social people. That's very kind of them. And if they don't "respond to therapy" they want to put you in a housing project along with other anti-social families undergoing retraining. You must be very blind if you can't see the gross abuse of power that will certainly lead to.

The government needs to intervene to attempt to fix what it broke by intervening the last time.

Read a bit more about the project.

 

[BinaryJack]

Arbiter.
Please don't patronise me.

You seem to have done very little reading yourself.
And from your posts it is clear that you have used what you have read in what I can only describe as an "interesting way".

It seems that you have a very limited understanding of the FIP.
The FIP is not designed to "retrain" families ala "Manchurion Candidate".

Here are some excerpts from your link.

Objective:
To support and challenge families to help them to address the causes of their anti social behaviour, retain accommodation and to achieve improved outcomes for their children. FIPs work with the families in North East Lincolnshire who are responsible for serious anti social behaviour or crime and who require intensive support.
The FIP crime workers work with families where offending has been a significant issue

The parenting practitioners provide accredited programmes of work with parents.

How does the FIP work with the families?
A Short term intensive intervention usually less than 6 months, but very frequent contact which includes evenings and weekends
The workers sign up the family to a contract
The workers liaise closely with other agencies who are dealing with family members in order that these agencies are included in the support plan
One to one parenting work

What is the advantage for the family in working with FIP?
A Avoid ASBO
Maintain accommodation
Assistance with problems identified by family itself
Coordination of agency input and avoidance of duplication and confusion
Practical help and support around budgets, teaching housework skills etc
Access to parenting support provided by FIP, other agencies or the parenting practitioners

The FIP also works to avoid eviction due to anti-social behaviour.
http://www.yhn.org.uk/tenancy_services/young_peoples_services/family_intervention_project.aspx

 

[Arbiter]

Anti-social behaviour. Care to define that for us, Kage? I'm sure the UK government has this set of rules thought up by politically correct folks who have never suffered from circumstances that cause anti social behaviour.

Where does it end? Who draws the line between beating your child with a stick and giving him a little swat that reminds him to listen to you next time he tries to run in front of a car?

By the way, your "designation" is only allowed because of the liberal, tolerant attitude of society towards different people.

The FIP is most certainly one of many examples of that attitude dissipating.

Do you understand that?