Farm Attacks

marine1 said:
Its not at all. He thinks its all just random crime and the farmers probably beat their workers so they deserve it
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Yeah, you can go back for hundreds of his posts and it's all the same as if he believes or seeks justification or reasons for the violence not believing it's their hatred and savage nature that is at play. Take Winnie Mandela. I wish any of these idiots can explain her violent and savage streaks. Also look at the Xenophobia and strike actions...all can be justified by the Fuzzys of this world using their fuzzy logic.
 
marine1 said:
No see I don't misrepresent facts to suit my agenda like you did.
What facts exactly are you asking about ? No sorry I don't read that. Would you prefer the ANC report on farm attacks ??
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Where did you get your facts from then?
 
marine1 said:
No see I don't misrepresent facts to suit my agenda like you did.
What facts exactly are you asking about ? No sorry I don't read that. Would you prefer the ANC report on farm attacks ??
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Why don't you supply some facts? From a reputable source, of course.

Then people might start to take you seriously. (instead of, as now, pretty much as convincing as Seriously)
 
Seriously said:
Yeah, you can go back for hundreds of his posts and it's all the same as if he believes or seeks justification or reasons for the violence not believing it's their hatred and savage nature that is at play. Take Winnie Mandela. I wish any of these idiots can explain her violent and savage streaks. Also look at the Xenophobia and strike actions...all can be justified by the Fuzzys of this world using their fuzzy logic.
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Both of your posts prove you use opinion as basis of fact and are unable to actually debate or provide any solid information.
 
scudsucker said:
Why don't you supply some facts? From a reputable source, of course.

Then people might start to take you seriously.
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Facts station what? That torture is not a part of random crime ? That torture indicates hate and a personal side of a crime?
Go google son we have been over this a billion times.
Do you really think I care if you or others blinded by their liberal blinkers believe me or not? ?
Lol. I'm not here to make friends or have you believe me.
If you are too delusional or blind to see the reality shamepies for you
 
scudsucker said:
As opposed to you and seriously, who think that the crime is purely due to the fact that the victim is white... ignoring the very obvious fact that the victim is also usually substantially better off economically than the attackers, and in the case of farm crimes, very vulnerable?

It is obvious that these are not "random crimes". But the motive is not pure racism as you and Seriously would have it.

On the other hand, trying to argue with either of you is an exercise in frustration, so I'll let someone else try to break it down into single syllables.
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FFS catch a wake up. The violence are extreme mostly or especially when the victims are white, why torture when they already have what they wanted? These savages are just that fecking African savages like hundreds of years ago. Stop sucking on the rear scud and wake up.
 
As much as I agree there is some undertone to these farm murders and attacks (My theory is to drive farmers from their land by putting fear into them) I highly doubt these being burned with irons, plastic and so on do it because of hate. We have a farm and firearms not being carried as well as the money is kept in safes.

These farmers are tortured to reveal the locations and keys/combinations to the safes. That's as simple as that. I doubt however that this is the case with ALL farm invasions. As some of these old people are butchered and hacked to death even after getting the safes opened.

So I don't disagree with what Marine is saying, I just refuse to believe that it's always the case.
 
Fudzy said:
Both of your posts prove you use opinion as basis of fact and are unable to actually debate or provide any solid information.
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You refuse to explain the savage and violent part of these savages committing these crimes and are trying fecking hard to justify what they do. Why knife a boy to steal his bicycle or phone when the kids gave it to him already? Explain that! I guess you wont cos that is how you are.
 
Seriously said:
FFS catch a wake up. The violence are extreme mostly or especially when the victims are white, why torture when they already have what they wanted? These savages are just that fecking African savages like hundreds of years ago. Stop sucking on the rear scud and wake up.
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Would you care to prove that statement... with facts, not your racist opinions? Perhaps contrast crimes where the victims are white with crimes where the victims are black?

No?

I didn't think so.
 
marine1 said:
Facts station what? That torture is not a part of random crime ? That torture indicates hate and a personal side of a crime?
Go google son we have been over this a billion times.
Do you really think I care if you or others blinded by their liberal blinkers believe me or not? ?
Lol. I'm not here to make friends or have you believe me.
If you are too delusional or blind to see the reality shamepies for you
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Seriously said:
FFS catch a wake up. The violence are extreme mostly or especially when the victims are white, why torture when they already have what they wanted? These savages are just that fecking African savages like hundreds of years ago. Stop sucking on the rear scud and wake up.
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See again, you go off on tangents and start insulting instead of providing valid information... what aren't you getting this?
 
scudsucker said:
Would you care to prove that statement... with facts, not your racist opinions?
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Why don't you prove it's not the case? Because you do not want to. There are enough evidence apart from the hundreds of statistical ANC "botched up robberies" which distort the statistics and there are reasons why the Police and the ANC gave details and statistics about these crimes and that is so the majority of the idiots in this country believe their is no reason for concern.
 
Seriously said:
You refuse to explain the savage and violent part of these savages committing these crimes and are trying fecking hard to justify what they do. Why knife a boy to steal his bicycle or phone when the kids gave it to him already? Explain that! I guess you wont cos that is how you are.
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What is the source of your story? How am I supposed to comment without having any information presented other than your opinion on the events?
 
Pitbull said:
As much as I agree there is some undertone to these farm murders and attacks (My theory is to drive farmers from their land by putting fear into them) I highly doubt these being burned with irons, plastic and so on do it because of hate. We have a farm and firearms not being carried as well as the money is kept in safes.

These farmers are tortured to reveal the locations and keys/combinations to the safes. That's as simple as that. I doubt however that this is the case with ALL farm invasions. As some of these old people are butchered and hacked to death even after getting the safes opened.

So I don't disagree with what Marine is saying, I just refuse to believe that it's always the case.
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They don't want white farmers
The blacks don't. The ANC doesn't either.
So use whatever means necessary because land grabs won't work legally this isn't zim.......yet
 
Fudzy said:
What is the source of your story? How am I supposed to comment without having any information presented other than your opinion on the events?
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Again explain the savage and violent part of these crimes of these criminals, on white and black.
 
Pitbull said:
As much as I agree there is some undertone to these farm murders and attacks (My theory is to drive farmers from their land by putting fear into them) .
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The fuzzy's of this world disagree and rather blame van Riebeeck and Verwoerd.
 
Seriously said:
Again explain the savage and violent part of these crimes of these criminals, on white and black.
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Backtracking now? Just a few posts earlier you claimed that whites bore the brunt of the worst violence.

But really - you and marine are making extraordinary claims. The onus is on YOU to PROVE these claims.

The fact that you both resort to insult is a clear sign you cannot.
 
marine1 said:
Facts station what? That torture is not a part of random crime ? That torture indicates hate and a personal side of a crime?
Go google son we have been over this a billion times.
Do you really think I care if you or others blinded by their liberal blinkers believe me or not? ?
Lol. I'm not here to make friends or have you believe me.
If you are too delusional or blind to see the reality shamepies for you
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Marine1 you need to take 2 things into consideration here when comparing farm attacks with house robberies

1. Homes normally don't have safes. If they do there is maybe 1 gun and some jewellery in there. Hardly worth the effort spending a few hours at a house for maybe a gun and a few grand. Farms on the other hand have loads of guns and hundreds of thousands in cash in safes.
2. Homes are generally built close together. Torturing someone to get the combination of the keys to the safe will alert the neighbours.
On farms people can scream as load and as long as they want. Closest neighbour is probably 2kms away.

Again, this doesn't take away anything from the real racist attacks and killing on farms that DO happen. This however makes up a small minority of these farm attacks if you think about it logically. There are hate crimes being committed on farmers and these should not be downplayed by calling every attack on a farm a hate crime. This is counter productive tbh and washes down the real racist farm attacks for personal/political gain.
 
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