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Fudzy
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Because farmers produce food, which is irrelevant of their heritage.
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Because farmers produce food, which is irrelevant of their heritage.
crackersa
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i can't tell if this is sarcasm or not....
Let me clarify his post.
It's not about comparing squatter camp murders to farm mursers....or black murders vs white murders.
Our farmers put food on our tables.....farm killings impacts our economy. At some point other commercial farmers might argue...why take the risk, sell the farm and get the fsck out of here.
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Fudzy
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No sarcasm, we need more commercial farmers.
so I was right?
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Fudzy
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Yep. I wonder what the racial demographics of said commercial farmers are? There will probably be a similar correlation between the victims. At the end of the day they are still being seen as lone, poorly secured targets of high value items.
I would happily support any programme that sees them secured without the racial undertones that usually accompany the 'support' shown on certain sites.
etienne_marais
Honorary Master
One death is not more important than another.
There is however a targeting of farmers which is not that coincidental in my opinion. During the waning years of Apartheid intelligence gathered information regarding planned farm attacks. Constand Viljoen started a program for farm protection. After 1994 I became aware of the first continuous spate of farm attacks and it just continued and increased. Kill The Boer just a metaphor to end Apartheid, I think not.
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Fudzy
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Why were the farmers seen as such supporters of Apartheid?
etienne_marais
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I don't think that is what it is really about, I think it has to do with the 'Land First' rhetoric of Communism in which the more militant elements were trained, including MK/Quattro. Also note the changing of names of towns, it seems the Voortrekker names are more likely to be targeted. I think there are people who want to write the Boer out of history despite it being the anglo-saxons and anglophile Afrikaners who implemented Apartheid.
that's it....they're easy targets.
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Fudzy
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Can you elaborate on the 'Land first' rhetoric?
@etienne, have you got any idea how small of a minority the Afrikaner is in this country?
I honestly think you must reach out to the reality that SA does not belong to us alone.....as it used to be
etienne_marais
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In Marxist rhetoric for the liberation and upliftment of the proletariat the old system has to be destroyed in phases, a precursor to full-out revolution is obtaining land. I don't think there will be a full-out revolution or that Communism will thrive in S.A. but I believe that elements have been trained in Marxist rhetoric and are carrying out the ideal despite the government taking a different path. That is why more radical elements claim that the ANC has betrayed them. Under a bridge near Tzaneen/Modjadji the slogan is painted 'Land First'.
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Fudzy
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So then this is all the work of veterans who never got the message then?
/sees bait
etienne_marais
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@etienne, have you got any idea how small of a minority the Afrikaner is in this country?
I honestly think you must reach out to the reality that SA does not belong to us alone.....as it used to be
Who says I don't ? The New South Africa has a multi-party democracy (i.e. not strict Westminster system) with catering for minority groups. Furthermore the New South Africa is a conglomeration of different cultures, it is not a homogeneous society yet (I doubt it will ever be). The Rainbow nation is often noted for its variety of cultures, not for its monoculturalism and as such, according to the manifest of human rights and the constitution I invoke my right of freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of thought and right to life (the foremost human right cited).
etienne_marais
Honorary Master
I think it is one of the factors, but not the entire picture. There are certainly the elements of 'normal' crime, 'homegrown' racism, perhaps gangsterism etc.
etienne_marais
Honorary Master
1,535 wit mense en slegs 225 swart mense op plase vermoor sedert 1990 - TLU. Hoeveel van die moordenaars was wit?
‘Politiek speel wel ’n rol in plaasmoorde’
Die motief vir plaasmoorde is kompleks en kan nie net deur getalle verklaar word nie.
So sê dr. Frans Cronjé, uitvoerende hoof van die Instituut vir Rasseverhoudinge.
“Statistieke vereenvoudig die kompleksiteit van die probleem.
“Roof ís beslis ’n motief, maar die politieke konteks moet in ag geneem word.”
Volgens Cronjé veroorsaak uitsprake oor wit kommersiële boere vervreemding en wek die indruk dat dit vir aanvallers “makliker” is om iemand wat “anders is” te martel.
“Dis soortgelyk aan xenofobiese aanvalle. Swart mense van ander Afrikalande word ook as ‘anders’ gesien. Mense dink hulle vat werkgeleent*hede, pleeg misdade en kom met vervalste dokumente in aanmerking vir ons maatskaplike dienste.”
Daarom is dit vir aanvallers “regverdigbaar” en “makliker” om buitelanders wreed te martel.
Swart kommersiële boere word ook om dié rede geteiken: Hulle is “anders”, ry bakkies en het plaaswerkers, sê hy.
“Vat die kommandostelsel weg, vervang dit deur niks en kombineer dít met die politieke klimaat en die groot getal onwettige vuurwapens in die land en jy skep die klimaat vir plaasaanvalle.”
Ernst Roets, uitvoerende adjunkhoof van AfriForum, sê mense van alle rasse word deur plaasmoorde geraak en ’n mens kan nie veralgemeen deur te sê net wit boere word vermoor nie.
Dis egter te eenvoudig om te sê die motief is roof.
“ ’n Sekondêre motief moet ook ondersoek word. Politieke uitsprake, soos Jacob Zuma se uitsprake oor Jan van Riebeeck, is aanhitsing. Ons kan nie bewys in watter mate dit tot spesifieke aanvalle gelei het nie, maar sekere aanvalle is beslis rasgedrewe,” sê Roets.
Genl.maj. Chris van Zyl, assistent-hoofbestuurder van TLU SA, wil weet: “Waarom is daar gevalle waar die aanvallers plaasbewoners inwag? Jy het oorgenoeg tyd om te steel en jou uit die voete te maak voordat hulle van die kerk of dorp af terugkeer.”
Volgens TLU SA is sowat 1 535 wit mense en 225 swart mense sedert 1990 op plase vermoor.
Dianne Kohler Barnard, DA-woordvoerder oor polisie, sê die marteling van veral weerlose bejaardes is ’n onaanvaarbare element van plaasaanvalle.
“In die meeste gevalle regverdig wat gesteel word – ’n ou televisiestel en ’n bakkie met ’n halwe tenk petrol – nie die vlak van geweld wat gebruik word nie.”
Leanne George
http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-01-15-politiek-speel-wel-n-rol-in-plaasmoorde
‘Politiek speel wel ’n rol in plaasmoorde’
Die motief vir plaasmoorde is kompleks en kan nie net deur getalle verklaar word nie.
So sê dr. Frans Cronjé, uitvoerende hoof van die Instituut vir Rasseverhoudinge.
“Statistieke vereenvoudig die kompleksiteit van die probleem.
“Roof ís beslis ’n motief, maar die politieke konteks moet in ag geneem word.”
Volgens Cronjé veroorsaak uitsprake oor wit kommersiële boere vervreemding en wek die indruk dat dit vir aanvallers “makliker” is om iemand wat “anders is” te martel.
“Dis soortgelyk aan xenofobiese aanvalle. Swart mense van ander Afrikalande word ook as ‘anders’ gesien. Mense dink hulle vat werkgeleent*hede, pleeg misdade en kom met vervalste dokumente in aanmerking vir ons maatskaplike dienste.”
Daarom is dit vir aanvallers “regverdigbaar” en “makliker” om buitelanders wreed te martel.
Swart kommersiële boere word ook om dié rede geteiken: Hulle is “anders”, ry bakkies en het plaaswerkers, sê hy.
“Vat die kommandostelsel weg, vervang dit deur niks en kombineer dít met die politieke klimaat en die groot getal onwettige vuurwapens in die land en jy skep die klimaat vir plaasaanvalle.”
Ernst Roets, uitvoerende adjunkhoof van AfriForum, sê mense van alle rasse word deur plaasmoorde geraak en ’n mens kan nie veralgemeen deur te sê net wit boere word vermoor nie.
Dis egter te eenvoudig om te sê die motief is roof.
“ ’n Sekondêre motief moet ook ondersoek word. Politieke uitsprake, soos Jacob Zuma se uitsprake oor Jan van Riebeeck, is aanhitsing. Ons kan nie bewys in watter mate dit tot spesifieke aanvalle gelei het nie, maar sekere aanvalle is beslis rasgedrewe,” sê Roets.
Genl.maj. Chris van Zyl, assistent-hoofbestuurder van TLU SA, wil weet: “Waarom is daar gevalle waar die aanvallers plaasbewoners inwag? Jy het oorgenoeg tyd om te steel en jou uit die voete te maak voordat hulle van die kerk of dorp af terugkeer.”
Volgens TLU SA is sowat 1 535 wit mense en 225 swart mense sedert 1990 op plase vermoor.
Dianne Kohler Barnard, DA-woordvoerder oor polisie, sê die marteling van veral weerlose bejaardes is ’n onaanvaarbare element van plaasaanvalle.
“In die meeste gevalle regverdig wat gesteel word – ’n ou televisiestel en ’n bakkie met ’n halwe tenk petrol – nie die vlak van geweld wat gebruik word nie.”
Leanne George
http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-01-15-politiek-speel-wel-n-rol-in-plaasmoorde
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Fudzy
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Source of that article?
etienne_marais
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Article edited: source added.