Farm Attacks

Burre Burger, the guy behind the feeding scheme for the animals currently running all over the country added a video today where he's crying, saying he knew this guy personally. What got me straight in the feels was the last part of his video (I'll type it in English): "My wife is spoilt, she get's a cup of tea every morning in bed, and one before she goes to sleep. We're not always in the mood to do these type of things everyday. But it was a privilege to be able to give his wife her cup of tea this morning"

/in the feels!

Edit: Apologies, Burre only shared it, source seems to have been Farm manager: Chris Loubser

Conradie was a good man and his death by home invasion has stirred many in this sense. This is the 4th attack in 1 month in the Western Cape. I already see that AfriForum has voiced their concerns.

Just on a side note, there has been more home invasions than known to the public by media here in Stellenbosch this year, but it has been mostly without violence (or death).
 
Intelligence

These farkers are smart, and case the places out very very good. I'm all for beafing up security and and all these lovely things. But it will not stop them, it hardly ever does.
What ones needs is good timely ( and primary ) intelligence
There is ALWAYS some chatter on the " bush-telegraph"
These things do not happen in a vacuum

Problem is -- there are very few people that know how to listen- and -- understand
The other problem is that so many people are VERY unobservant -- go around with their heads ( and brains ) in some other place .......
 
Conradie was a good man and his death by home invasion has stirred many in this sense. This is the 4th attack in 1 month in the Western Cape. I already see that AfriForum has voiced their concerns.

Just on a side note, there has been more home invasions than known to the public by media here in Stellenbosch this year, but it has been mostly without violence (or death).

What tickles me is the trend of these murders seem to happen a bunch at a time and then quiets again. Similar to Gorilla warfare. Once it hits the public eye after a couple of deaths in quick succession it goes quiet for a while and no more murders happen. Then a week or so or brutal murders again and the cycle continues.

In our area here in Pretoria we have a project going which seems to be having the desired affect. But our area is different in a way that it only has 3 entrance and exit routes. So it's easy to control a BIG area of around 600 small holdings with 3 guards in radio contact seeing a car enter and radio ahead to hear if he has left the area. If not a Response vehicle is sent to look for the vehicle. This has brought crime down in our area dramatically. But it's still not fool proof and we still have incidents of break-ins and the likes. We haven't had a murder or a robbery here since March so it's going good... for now.
 
Smarts ?

True, they are smart, That's why one needs multiple layers.
The question that needs to be asked ( and it seems no-one is )
IS
WHERE and HOW do they acquire -- these " smarts" ????
( MUCH beyond the standard normal dumb ass )
 
Conradie was a good man and his death by home invasion has stirred many in this sense. This is the 4th attack in 1 month in the Western Cape. I already see that AfriForum has voiced their concerns.

Just on a side note, there has been more home invasions than known to the public by media here in Stellenbosch this year, but it has been mostly without violence (or death).

I live in Stellenbosch, on a farm, and I don't know about this. Stellenbosch has been really crazy crime wise over the last few months, and it seems like it is really getting worse every day.
 
#CrimeStats: Outrage as farm attacks and murders ignored

Cape Town - The absence of figures on farm murders and attacks caused a stir in Parliament as the police portfolio committee was presented with South Africa’s annual national crime statistics.

The FFP’s Petrus Groenewald demanded police provide him with statistics on farm murders.

Groenewald said the police had made a commitment last year to provide the statistics on farm attacks.

“I’m sure the commissioner should have the figures. We took such a decision last year,” Groenewald said.

“If we have the figures, why can’t we get it now. What is the reason we can’t get them now?”

Acting national commissioner Lesetja Mothiba said there were more than 1000 police stations and that it could take over a day to make a presentation on all types of prevalent murders.

Mothiba promised to prepare a report on farms.

“We had to prepare this presentation based on time given to us,” he said.

Committee chairman Francois Beukman tried to come to Mothiba’s rescue, saying he should take steps to make the report available.

“The national commissioner has explained he does not have the information,” Beukman said.

But, Groenwald would hear none of that.

“It does not make sense to give it after the meeting,” he said, adding he was not looking for statistics of every police station.

Police Minister Fikile Mbalula said he was unaware there had been an arrangement for such statistics to be availed.

“We must never give an impression that there are certain things we are running away from,” Mbalula said.

“If something has been agreed to, we must honour it.”

He said he understood Groenewald’s standpoint and that he regularly raised the issue of farm killings and attacks.

“I have met with your party. It is a matter I would want to be addressed amicably.”

More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...-as-farm-attacks-and-murders-ignored-11695563
 
Farmers 4.5 times more at risk of being murdered – AfriForum

Commercial farmers are 4.5 times as likely to get murdered as the South African population as a whole.

This is according the civil rights group AfriForum‚ which released its latest statistics on attacks and murders on farms in Centurion on Wednesday.

According to AfriForum‚ 156 commercial farmers are killed per 100,000. According to the police’s annual crime statistics released on Tuesday‚ 34.1 South Africans are murdered per 100,000 of the population.

AfriForum recorded 70 murders and 357 attacks on farms in 2016.

Deputy CEO Ernst Roets said the group was being “deliberately conservative” in its numbers.

“We only add cases that we can verify. When we say 70 we mean that we have a list of 70 people that have been murdered.”

More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...es-more-at-risk-of-being-murdered--afriforum/
 
Now this pisses me off to no end.

I had a look at photos from the crime scene. Not a single burglar bar in front of the windows. Window they gained entry from wasn't even broken which means it was open... What are some of these farmers thinking? We live in Utopia? Wow...
 
Now this pisses me off to no end.

I had a look at photos from the crime scene. Not a single burglar bar in front of the windows. Window they gained entry from wasn't even broken which means it was open... What are some of these farmers thinking? We live in Utopia? Wow...
It is sad that not having burglar bars is seen as an excuse to murdered...

From the article I gathered they had electric fencing (and even increased the height recently).

We live in a security estate, with monitored entry access and electric fencing. We have burglar bars, double locks on the sliding door plus a security gate behind the sliding door. What makes me feel safe though is the trellidoor we have at the end of the stairway going upstairs to the rooms. By the time people breach the estate security and my burglar bars, at least I know they cant get to us. But a sad state of affairs that one has to go to all these measures and still it does not guarentee that one night you will not be murdered in your own home.

Makes me sick.
 
Now this pisses me off to no end.

I had a look at photos from the crime scene. Not a single burglar bar in front of the windows. Window they gained entry from wasn't even broken which means it was open... What are some of these farmers thinking? We live in Utopia? Wow...
I've seen very lax security as well, isolated farms creepy to think how vulnerable they are, suppose it's human nature to think it hasn't ever happen to us before so why bother.
 
Now this pisses me off to no end.

I had a look at photos from the crime scene. Not a single burglar bar in front of the windows. Window they gained entry from wasn't even broken which means it was open... What are some of these farmers thinking? We live in Utopia? Wow...

I stayed at a farm/guest house near there in the Franschhoek area this past weekend - Lekkewijn. What a beautiful place and area in general. What struck me though, being a Joburger, was the complete lack of security. I guess things like burglar bars etc. ruin the authenticity and vibe of an old place like that in the eyes of tourists. But is it worth the price?
 
It is sad that not having burglar bars is seen as an excuse to murdered...

From the article I gathered they had electric fencing (and even increased the height recently).

We live in a security estate, with monitored entry access and electric fencing. We have burglar bars, double locks on the sliding door plus a security gate behind the sliding door. What makes me feel safe though is the trellidoor we have at the end of the stairway going upstairs to the rooms. By the time people breach the estate security and my burglar bars, at least I know they cant get to us. But a sad state of affairs that one has to go to all these measures and still it does not guarentee that one night you will not be murdered in your own home.

Makes me sick.

Are you retarded or just a little brain damaged?

No one said it's an excuse to murder. Don't be daft. You're a farmer and you have ZERO security. That is being an easy target. No one says he deserved to be killed. Electric fence is only good for keeping your pets and animals in... having the assumption that you're safe now...
 
Now this pisses me off to no end.

I had a look at photos from the crime scene. Not a single burglar bar in front of the windows. Window they gained entry from wasn't even broken which means it was open... What are some of these farmers thinking? We live in Utopia? Wow...

Normal home security, seen in cities, won't make much difference when you're so isolated. With the right tools they can be broken through in minutes or seconds. With the closest help many km away it doesn't matter if they make a noise breaking in.

Also I think a lot of the attacks happen by ambushing the victims outside the house area.
 
Are you retarded or just a little brain damaged?

No one said it's an excuse to murder. Don't be daft. You're a farmer and you have ZERO security. That is being an easy target. No one says he deserved to be killed. Electric fence is only good for keeping your pets and animals in... having the assumption that you're safe now...

the fact that you ARE a farmer makes you a target

listen here man if I was a robber I'd look for two things
1. big reward (vehicles,money,guns etc)
2. low risk of being caught
Answer; farm
 
It is sad that not having burglar bars is seen as an excuse to murdered...

From the article I gathered they had electric fencing (and even increased the height recently).

We live in a security estate, with monitored entry access and electric fencing. We have burglar bars, double locks on the sliding door plus a security gate behind the sliding door. What makes me feel safe though is the trellidoor we have at the end of the stairway going upstairs to the rooms. By the time people breach the estate security and my burglar bars, at least I know they cant get to us. But a sad state of affairs that one has to go to all these measures and still it does not guarentee that one night you will not be murdered in your own home.

Makes me sick.

The photos I saw showed that they buried underneath the fence.
 
the fact that you ARE a farmer makes you a target

listen here man if I was a robber I'd look for two things
1. big reward (vehicles,money,guns etc)
2. low risk of being caught
Answer; farm

Exactly.

Then not at least having burglar bars on your windows and your windows closed just makes it even more easier. It's a sad reality we need to live with. I get the fact that this farmer was born on the farm and he stayed there for 47 years without incident. But it only takes that ONE incident to end your life and that of your family.
 
Normal home security, seen in cities, won't make much difference when you're so isolated. With the right tools they can be broken through in minutes or seconds. With the closest help many km away it doesn't matter if they make a noise breaking in.

Also I think a lot of the attacks happen by ambushing the victims outside the house area.

I stay on a small holding outside of Pretoria. Our family has a farm in a Trust in Zeerust which has been in our family for generations. I grew up on a farm and yes, distance and isolation is an issue. The trick is not be be caught sleeping and off guard. Sure the burglar bars won't stop them, it does wake you and give you time to set up a defense. We don't sleep with open windows. Our burglar bars and security gates are inside the house. They need to break the window/glass door then get through the gate. We have 2 pitbulls outside at night and one inside. I sleep with my firearm pushed into the side of the bed between the section where the wood and the matras meet. (one-up). Wife has access to the safe with the shot-gun in it to her side of the bed.

It's going to be near impossible for them to get inside and into our bedrooms without someone waking up. I don't feel safe still. We have 3 guards guarding our entrance and exit roads as part of a community security scheme we have together with a response vehicle we pay for and maintain ourselves and a 24/7 emergency number. Still I don't sleep good at night.

They can hit any time and me making it so hard on them will probably be me being attacked outside while doing something or going or coming back home. I'm aware of that. I at least try and make myself as hard a target as possible. I would never be able to sleep with the windows open, no burglar bars and no dogs. Just feeling safe with an electric fence.

But I have made peace with it, and this is the type of life I want to live and give to my kids.
 
Normal home security, seen in cities, won't make much difference when you're so isolated. With the right tools they can be broken through in minutes or seconds. With the closest help many km away it doesn't matter if they make a noise breaking in.

Also I think a lot of the attacks happen by ambushing the victims outside the house area.

Normally the farmers have guns, issue is it's sometime not on them, so delay gives time to arm.
 
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