Farm Attacks

[voldoverse]

No country will want to waste a perfectly working and expensive nuke on a f***ed up country.

Wait, just let me make some phonecalls, i might know a guy..

 

[thestaggy]

So many people fail to realise the importance of farmers in SA: they literally provide the food that you put on your table every night.

This isn't about white vs black. This is about protecting the people who ensure that we don't all starve to death.

Make a stand, fight for them, or end up like Zimbabwe.

Farming is easy, anyone can do it.

Or so I have been told multiple times on these forums.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Just received confirmation that there will already be roads blocked in Pretoria (Outlaying areas entering Pretoria on Monday)

I'm sure more to follow. Interesting times ahead.

Well this is a little bit more than pure slacktivism, people are actually doing something, but ffs man, what if a road is blocked that I need to use to go to work? That's pretty selfish.

 

[STS]

So many people fail to realise the importance of farmers in SA: they literally provide the food that you put on your table every night.

This isn't about white vs black. This is about protecting the people who ensure that we don't all starve to death.

Make a stand, fight for them, or end up like Zimbabwe.

This is about white vs black simply because on other sites it is made into a racial issue. Any time a murder is brought up on facebook, racial insults follow, people reminiscence about apartheid, people accuse the ANC government of genocide, bible passages pop up, photos from crimes scenes are posted, etc.

if this wasn't meant to be a racial issue, people are making it one. the international community would be a lot more sympathetic if these murders were addressed for what they were - ie murders. not genocide, not a chance to wave the stormfront flag, not an excuse to get refuge in other countries, etc

 

[MidnightWizard]

Third farm attack suspect arrested
Shock as soldier is arrested for farm attack
Police raided a 5SAI soldier’s home on Friday afternoon and arrested him after he was positively linked to the farm attack that took place on Friday.
An elderly resident (about 80 years old) was at her home on a farm

"AFTER the Lion Feeds"

What happens ?

Very early book by Wilbur Smith ( worth a fortune if you have a first edition hard cover in good condition )

http://www.wilbursmithbooks.com/books/courtney/when-the-lion-feeds

 

[Moosedrool]

people accuse the ANC government of genocide

Well dude this didn't really help:

[video=youtube;6fzRSE_p1Ys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys[/video]

Yeah blame all the forum members making it about racism right now and leave the ANC alone!. Haha

 

[STS]

Well dude this didn't really help:


Yeah blame all the forum members making it about racism right now and leave the ANC alone!. Haha

yes it didn't help, good thing we are intelligent people with educations and access to media so that we can do research. a few videos have truly blown my mind and is enough evidence for a full on genocide, get the UN on the phone immediately.

Bet you read the comments on the videos tho, there will be an equal number of death threats towards people of other races. should i ask the UN to hold so that we can share this info with them too?

 

[Pitbull]

yes it didn't help, good thing we are intelligent people with educations and access to media so that we can do research. a few videos have truly blown my mind and is enough evidence for a full on genocide, get the UN on the phone immediately.

Bet you read the comments on the videos tho, there will be an equal number of death threats towards people of other races. should i ask the UN to hold so that we can share this info with them too?

And there you highlighted the problem perfectly. Us the educated people have the way and the means to do our own research and draw our own conclusions. Do you think the masses which these type of things are being fed to have the same privilege? I would guess not so they just go with what they are fed by the likes of the EFF and the ANC. So you just proved this all valid with your post.

 

[Moosedrool]

yes it didn't help, good thing we are intelligent people with educations and access to media so that we can do research. a few videos have truly blown my mind and is enough evidence for a full on genocide, get the UN on the phone immediately.

Bet you read the comments on the videos tho, there will be an equal number of death threats towards people of other races. should i ask the UN to hold so that we can share this info with them too?

It's pretty evident that you read the comments. I find it interesting that you compare some twelve year old kids trolling on youtube with racist comments to the leader of a country singing a song which promotes the murders of farmers.

 

[STS]

And there you highlighted the problem perfectly. Us the educated people have the way and the means to do our own research and draw our own conclusions. Do you think the masses which these type of things are being fed to have the same privilege? I would guess not so they just go with what they are fed by the likes of the EFF and the ANC. So you just proved this all valid with your post.

It's pretty evident that you read the comments. I find it interesting that you compare some twelve year old kids trolling on youtube with racist comments to the leader of a country singing a song which promotes the murders of farmers.

We have been able to find corruption, money laundering, top secret emails, propaganda websites, people evading justice, all related to Zuma, Gupta's, the ANC - yet there is not one shred of evidence supporting any kind of genocide except a struggle song which any idiot can sing?

The ANC tells their supporters all kinds of lies, why is one lie more important to some people? Coz they are snowflakes and feel offended?

 

[thestaggy]

yes it didn't help, good thing we are intelligent people with educations and access to media so that we can do research. a few videos have truly blown my mind and is enough evidence for a full on genocide, get the UN on the phone immediately.

Bet you read the comments on the videos tho, there will be an equal number of death threats towards people of other races. should i ask the UN to hold so that we can share this info with them too?

I suggest you remove your head from the sand before you get a kick up the arse while its down there. (Figure of speech, not keyboard warrior speech)

The educated are in the firm minority in SA. The majority are poor, desperate, uneducated and angry and they will believe EVERYTHING that is fed to them by populist politicians, especially if they come from the ANC.

Once again, a drum I keep on beating, check history to see how easy it is to turn anger, desperation and fear in to hate and violence. This is not a new concept. Governments and politicians have done this before, with disastrous results.

The land and race issue (which are becoming increasingly intertwined) in SA is a powder keg. It doesn't help when political and party leaders start throwing matches around.

 

[Pitbull]

We have been able to find corruption, money laundering, top secret emails, propaganda websites, people evading justice, all related to Zuma, Gupta's, the ANC - yet there is not one shred of evidence supporting any kind of genocide except a struggle song which any idiot can sing?

The ANC tells their supporters all kinds of lies, why is one lie more important to some people? Coz they are snowflakes and feel offended?

lol @ snowflakes.

You are the one who brought education and available information into the picture for a video where JZ sings to the uneducated masses probably not even having access to decent housing not even talking about education or information. The day farm attacks become robberies/murders without the torture and brutality that accompanies it. I'll take you seriously. But then again, you live in your little townhouse and think you know what we go through living in the rural areas. /facepalm

 

[STS]

I suggest you remove your head from the sand before you get a kick up the arse while its down there. (Figure of speech, not keyboard warrior speech)

The educated are in the firm minority in SA. The majority are poor, desperate, uneducated and angry and they will believe EVERYTHING that is fed to them by populist politicians, especially if they come from the ANC.

Once again, a drum I keep on beating, check history to see how easy it is to turn anger, desperation and fear in to hate and violence. This is not a new concept. Governments and politicians have done this before, with disastrous results.

The land and race issue (which are becoming increasingly intertwined) in SA is a powder keg. It doesn't help when political and party leaders start throwing matches around.

At the same time, this doesn't mean they are all murdering psychopaths with no family responsibilities, blood lust, common sense, etc.

The ANC and other political parties ARE driving a wedge between race, but they are not actively arming the population and encouraging murder. They are too incompetent even if they wanted to try this. And the wedge they are driving is for one thing only, to keep them in power and their pockets filled.

Any form of terror, violence, war or genocide is going to end their luxurious lifestyles and drive this country lower than zimbabwe

 

[STS]

lol @ snowflakes.

You are the one who brought education and available information into the picture for a video where JZ sings to the uneducated masses probably not even having access to decent housing not even talking about education or information. The day farm attacks become robberies/murders without the torture and brutality that accompanies it. I'll take you seriously. But then again, you live in your little townhouse and think you know what we go through living in the rural areas. /facepalm

And that is where it ends. Koos goes to a party and tells Johan how the ANC are terrorists and that they should overthrow the government but they go home and go on with their lives. In the thread where we were arguing about the woman who tweeted about rape, we went over the main point repeatedly - you need EVIDENCE.

And you think only farmers are brutally murdered and tortured? or does it only hit home harder with you since you live on a farm, are white, got facebook to see photos, etc? you want the country to give a **** about white farmers when you don't even give a **** about people in poor communities being gutted and raped. what do they have to steal from poor communities where crimes and murder are the highest?

you live in your rural areas with your guns and bars on windows, forgetting that there are people who don't have dogs and high walls and guns and security following them around. you can drive home at night while people have to walk home and get raped in the dark, but that doesn't make it to your social media feed, so the conspiracy theory is more likely

 

[rietrot]

And that is where it ends. Koos goes to a party and tells Johan how the ANC are terrorists and that they should overthrow the government but they go home and go on with their lives. In the thread where we were arguing about the woman who tweeted about rape, we went over the main point repeatedly - you need EVIDENCE.

And you think only farmers are brutally murdered and tortured? or does it only hit home harder with you since you live on a farm, are white, got facebook to see photos, etc? you want the country to give a **** about white farmers when you don't even give a **** about people in poor communities being gutted and raped. what do they have to steal from poor communities where crimes and murder are the highest?

you live in your rural areas with your guns and bars on windows, forgetting that there are people who don't have dogs and high walls and guns and security following them around. you can drive home at night while people have to walk home and get raped in the dark, but that doesn't make it to your social media feed, so the conspiracy theory is more likely

The evidence, stats that farmers are targeted more is two pages back in the crime stats.
Gang areas probably experience the same level of crime and everybody and their dog is calling for more action in those areas the same as on farms.

Your true colours are starting to shine through.

 

[Pitbull]

And that is where it ends. Koos goes to a party and tells Johan how the ANC are terrorists and that they should overthrow the government but they go home and go on with their lives. In the thread where we were arguing about the woman who tweeted about rape, we went over the main point repeatedly - you need EVIDENCE.

Let me ask you this, why aim at Koos and Johan about over throwing the Government when we talking about attacks on farms against Farmers. Why not aim your focus on those commiting the crimes, why focus on the victims? This actually shows how naïve you are. Like blaming the woman for being raped...

And you think only farmers are brutally murdered and tortured? or does it only hit home harder with you since you live on a farm, are white, got facebook to see photos, etc? you want the country to give a **** about white farmers when you don't even give a **** about people in poor communities being gutted and raped. what do they have to steal from poor communities where crimes and murder are the highest?

I never claimed that. We have brutal murders all over the country. The fact that being a farmer you are more likely to be murdered while farming than winning the lotto does actually show they are the targeted group. No matter how you try and dress up this issue. The facts are there. You are more likely to be killed as a farmer than any other profession in this country. You are 4 times more likely to be killed on a farm as opposed to a normal citizen. But alas... facts elude you

you live in your rural areas with your guns and bars on windows, forgetting that there are people who don't have dogs and high walls and guns and security following them around. you can drive home at night while people have to walk home and get raped in the dark, but that doesn't make it to your social media feed, so the conspiracy theory is more likely

I'm not forgetting them. I look after myself first then other people. Staying in a rural area and being seen as a farmer I have to worry about my own safety first before I worry about anyone else's. I do feel for those people. I never claimed not to have I? Have anyone else? They can fight their own cause while we fight ours. Once my issue is resolved I will gladly focus on their needs and requirements. I farm because I love it. I can easily move to a security estate with high walls and noisy and nosey neighbours. But I don't because I like this freedom I have and providing the same for my kids. Yet it comes at a price, something you will never understand but feel it your right to come here and try to justify farm murders as just another murder because other's get murdered too. No murder is justified ever. Yet some murders according to statistics are more likely than others and needs to be addressed in order or priority. Your little SWJ view can't change facts and statistics no matter how hard you try...

 

[Pitbull]

The evidence, stats that farmers are targeted more is two pages back in the crime stats.
Gang areas probably experience the same level of crime and everybody and their dog is calling for more action in those areas the same as on farms.

Your true colours are starting to shine through.

Agreed.

The army is called to the Western Cape to assist with gang murders and activities. Farmers though... who cares right? What a farking joke...

 

[STS]

The evidence, stats that farmers are targeted more is two pages back in the crime stats.
Gang areas probably experience the same level of crime and everybody and their dog is calling for more action in those areas the same as on farms.

Your true colours are starting to shine through.

What true colours?

WHY are farmers targeted? There is ZERO proof that they are targeted BECAUSE they are farmers and that the ANC condones OR encourages it. They don't go kill a farmer and think "wow, hey look, he has guns, who knew?", "oh wow, i didn't think when murdering him he would have so much money lying around", "gee, it is a good thing that we murdered this guy here, in a populated area people may have been able to hear their screams."

I am sure there are a lot of whites that ARE murdered out of racism, the stupid **** the ANC says and because they were taught to hate whites - but you cannot

1.) Make a blanket statement and state this counts for every farm attack
2.) Act like torture and violence is something exclusively done against white farmers only
3.) Prove with any tangible evidence that anyone in government is supporting this, else it would have been revealed already

 

[genelock]

Its just that the consequences of killing a farmer are so much greater than murdering someone in Lavender Hill

 

[genelock]

South Africa to me seems more and more like a snake eating itself from the tail