Farm Attacks

Tied to a pole, tortured and murdered.

So another one of those random crimes with no other motivation?
 
thestaggy said:
Tied to a pole, tortured and murdered.

So another one of those random crimes with no other motivation?
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Who knows this does look to be more than just random crime. Some of them are not mere random crime, no one denies that. There's evidence of land, other disputes (hunting, grazing rights, etc).
 
Solution is to shoot every ****er that steps onto your property without an invitation.

But we know the bleeding hearts will cry out and condemn this, that is inhumane and and and. But for **** sake, must these farmers just sit there and wait to be slaughtered like animals? We need a castle doctrine, people need to be able to defend themselves from these savages and not wait until he has a gun in your face and a knife to your wife and childrens' throats.
 
R13... said:
Who knows this does look to be more than just random crime. Some of them are not mere random crime, no one denies that. There's evidence of land, other disputes (hunting, grazing rights, etc).
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If you torture someone, you have willingly gone out of your way to inflict maximum physical and psychological suffering on them.
 
thestaggy said:
If you torture someone, you have willingly gone out of your way to inflict maximum physical and psychological suffering on someone.
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That's true but torture in and of itself isn't an indication that the crime is anything beyond economically motivated. These savage scum tend to do that to more than just farmers. Some of it is to get info, some seems to be just because they're savages like how that girl in the Cape got disemboweled among the horrors inflicted on her. And that boy in Umlazi who had his eyes poked out.
 
R13... said:
That's true but torture in and of itself isn't an indication that the crime is anything beyond economically motivated. These savage scum tend to do that to more than just farmers. Some of it is to get info, some seems to be just because they're savages like how that girl in the Cape got disemboweled among the horrors inflicted on her. And that boy in Umlazi who had his eyes poked out.
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Either way the gene pool needs a good cleansing
 
R13... said:
That's true but torture in and of itself isn't an indication that the crime is anything beyond economically motivated. These savage scum tend to do that to more than just farmers. Some of it is to get info, some seems to be just because they're savages like how that girl in the Cape got disemboweled among the horrors inflicted on her. And that boy in Umlazi who had his eyes poked out.
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Sorry, I refuse to see it as ''just another crime''. Not when political rhetoric is aimed at white farmers and land owners.

Another poster summed it up. You sit there listening to the hate and bile spewed by the ANC and EFF about how whites own all the land and blacks suffer. Then you sit and talk among your friends, and simmer and stew in more anger and hate. Your life is sh*t but they have land and it festers. Then you go out and do something like this, making sure that person suffers.
 
thestaggy said:
Sorry, I refuse to see it as ''just another crime''. Not when political rhetoric is aimed at white farmers and land owners.

Another poster summed it up. You sit there listening to the hate and bile spewed by the ANC and EFF about how whites own all the land and blacks suffer. Then you sit and talk among your friends, and simmer and stew in more anger and hate. Your life is sh*t but they have land and it festers. Then you go out and do something like this, making sure that person suffers.
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That might well be part of it, but I doubt it's a big contributing factor.

Julius doesn't sing "kill the cash in transit van" yet still those attacks happen.

Sad situation.
 
vigras rojara said:
That might well be part of it, but I doubt it's a big contributing factor.

Julius doesn't sing "kill the cash in transit van" yet still those attacks happen.

Sad situation.
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Maybe we can make a direct comparison when those who man the vans are tortured before being killed, don't you think?

Always amazes me how brutal black on white crime is just waved away as just run of the mill crime, and when someone says "monkey" and everyone loses collective minds.
 
Emjay said:
Maybe we can make a direct comparison when those who man the vans are tortured before being killed, don't you think?
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Yeah, because cash in transit thieves have all the time in the world to do that.

Come on, you can do better.
 
vigras rojara said:
Yeah, because cash in transit thieves have all the time in the world to do that.

Come on, you can do better.
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Are you not basing this on the ludicrous assumption that everyone gets tortured because that's just something criminals do? So you think that time is the only thing stopping torture.....
 
Emjay said:
Tell me with a straight face that torture is an afterthought, and driven by the same need to rob as in a cash in transit heist.
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Torture happens in a minority of cases, while a casual reader here would assume it's all cases. I'll see if I can find some stats.

Torture could be for numerous reasons - an attempt to extract information from the victims, personal grudges due to something in the past, or indeed hatred and general savagery.
 
rambo919 said:
Are you not basing this on the ludicrous assumption that everyone gets tortured because that's just something criminals do? So you think that time is the only thing stopping torture.....
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No, of course it isn't. It's just that implying that criminals hate farmers more than cash in transit security personnel because they never torture the latter, is obvious nonsense.
 
vigras rojara said:
Torture happens in a minority of cases, while a casual reader here would assume it's all cases. I'll see if I can find some stats.

Torture could be for numerous reasons - an attempt to extract information from the victims, personal grudges due to something in the past, or indeed hatred and general savagery.
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You are clearly trying to downplay this crime. It's not run of the mill crime and does not have the same motivations as a robbery.

And you should really do a lot more reading. I am not a casual reader, as I am active with the private security community. Torture is becoming more and more prevalent in these cases.
 
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