Farm Attacks

SNUFF said:
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Kul-cha
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Not sure why you would go out and find this, nobody is cheering these retards on. Go and interact with real people, dweeb!
 
The_Librarian said:
They will demand handouts, and steal, burn, loot if they do not get any free handouts.

They will work for a living, and will not rob, burn or loot.
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Absolutely, I just wanted to point out that it wasn't culture or the black "kul-cha", it's flat out indoctrination of a few kids.

Pudding McTwinkle said:
Not sure why you would go out and find this, nobody is cheering these retards on. Go and interact with real people, dweeb!
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Nobody is cheering the other retards on either, pisspot.
 
SNUFF said:
Absolutely, I just wanted to point out that it wasn't culture or the black "kul-cha", it's flat out indoctrination of a few kids.



Nobody is cheering the other retards on either, pisspot.
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I dont see those kids singing about murdering a minority. Anyhoo, Ta da.
 
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Farm Attack Claims Life of Grootvlei Farmer, Theo Bekker, suspects arrested

On 30 July, in a shocking incident that unfolded, Grootvlei farmer Theo Bekker tragically lost his life during a farm attack. His wife, Marlinda, also suffered severe injuries in the assault. The i…
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Grootvlei farmer Theo Bekker tragically lost his life during a farm attack.

His wife, Marlinda, also suffered severe injuries in the assault.

The incident occurred between 07:00 and 09:00, according to the FF Plus Balfour.

Following the attack, the assailants fled the scene in the couple’s vehicle.

However, their escape was short-lived as they were involved in an accident in Villiers.

Prompt action by law enforcement led to the immediate arrest of the four suspects at the crash site.
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A farm attack took place on 28 July 2023, on Curuland Farm in the Motouleng area, near Clarens in the Free State province of South Africa.

A farmer, Mr. Viljoen was overpowered and assaulted by two attackers.

Mr. Viljoen was robbed of his firearm, cash and his vehicle.

During the attack Mr. Viljoen suffered serious injuries and was hospitalised.

The vehicle was later found abandoned near Clarens.
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Farm attack, farmer hospitalised, firearm and vehicle robbed, Clarens - South Africa Today

A farm attack took place on 28 July 2023, on Curuland Farm in the Motouleng area, near Clarens in the Free State province of South Africa.
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wingnut771 said:
What's the point of the firearm then?
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Owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician.

Have you ever been fscked up in a fight? Most farmers don't have the privilege of being driven around by SAPS members in a 4x BMW X5 calvacade, they are primarily concerned with the production of food, it's where their skillset lies. They also can't all attend the nearby dojo to learn CQB-grade firearm retention skills.
 
RonSwanson said:
Owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician.

Have you ever been fscked up in a fight? Most farmers don't have the privilege of being driven around by SAPS members in a 4x BMW X5 calvacade, they are primarily concerned with the production of food, it's where their skillset lies. They also can't all attend the nearby dojo to learn CQB-grade firearm retention skills.
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Many make the mistake of not having the firearm on them. My old man made that mistake , keeping it in the safe, so they upgraded from four rusty blunt pangas to pew pew / they even left the useless props behind when they fled. In our case, panic button >> loud alarm noises chased them away. The more isolated the location , the less they care about such things though. So Farm attacks are easy pickings for the cowards.
 
wingnut771 said:
What's the point of the firearm then?
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Having a firearm does not guarantee anything, but you raise a valid question.

There are so many variables in situations like these, and a lot depends on awareness, early warning systems, etc., and even then the person attacked needs to get lucky too.
Attackers will generally have surprise on their side, and numbers, and also more likely to be OK with taking a life than the person being attacked. Someone not used to taking a life or fighting to the death can, and often do, hesitate. That adds to everything above.

This is probably a good discussion to have/debate if people can stick with facts, maybe in a different thread?

What I have seen, also on my recent hunting trip, was farmers advertising they carry by carrying openly.
I understand why they do this on their farms, it is simpler, and most attackers will expect them to be armed, and be prepared for that anyway.

But, for the entire time we were there, nobody knew or noticed that I was carrying my G19 and spare magazine on me all the time - if SHTF, this might have given me the edge and advantage (but there is still no guarantee, ever).

I also know none of them have the training I have done and still do, shooting and close quarters SHTF training, because occasionally shooting at a piece of paper or a few tins, as much fun as it is, does not really mean anything when SHTF.
 
MentellusMaximus said:
Having a firearm does not guarantee anything, but you raise a valid question.

There are so many variables in situations like these, and a lot depends on awareness, early warning systems, etc., and even then the person attacked needs to get lucky too.
Attackers will generally have surprise on their side, and numbers, and also more likely to be OK with taking a life than the person being attacked. Someone not used to taking a life or fighting to the death can, and often do, hesitate. That adds to everything above.

This is probably a good discussion to have/debate if people can stick with facts, maybe in a different thread?

What I have seen, also on my recent hunting trip, was farmers advertising they carry by carrying openly.
I understand why they do this on their farms, it is simpler, and most attackers will expect them to be armed, and be prepared for that anyway.

But, for the entire time we were there, nobody knew or noticed that I was carrying my G19 and spare magazine on me all the time - if SHTF, this might have given me the edge and advantage (but there is still no guarantee, ever).

I also know none of them have the training I have done and still do, shooting and close quarters SHTF training, because occasionally shooting at a piece of paper or a few tins, as much fun as it is, does not really mean anything when SHTF.
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The reason why they hesitate IMHO is because of the million and one different woke GFSA laws that are against the gun owner.

Also, if said gun owner in the middle of nowhere hasn't trained accordingly, then I have no sympathy for them then.
 
MentellusMaximus said:
Having a firearm does not guarantee anything, but you raise a valid question.

There are so many variables in situations like these, and a lot depends on awareness, early warning systems, etc., and even then the person attacked needs to get lucky too.
Attackers will generally have surprise on their side, and numbers, and also more likely to be OK with taking a life than the person being attacked. Someone not used to taking a life or fighting to the death can, and often do, hesitate. That adds to everything above.

This is probably a good discussion to have/debate if people can stick with facts, maybe in a different thread?

What I have seen, also on my recent hunting trip, was farmers advertising they carry by carrying openly.
I understand why they do this on their farms, it is simpler, and most attackers will expect them to be armed, and be prepared for that anyway.

But, for the entire time we were there, nobody knew or noticed that I was carrying my G19 and spare magazine on me all the time - if SHTF, this might have given me the edge and advantage (but there is still no guarantee, ever).

I also know none of them have the training I have done and still do, shooting and close quarters SHTF training, because occasionally shooting at a piece of paper or a few tins, as much fun as it is, does not really mean anything when SHTF.
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True on all counts. It is also far more comfortable and easier to carry openly. But the days are past that an open-carry firearm is a visible deterrent, the predator sees it as motivation.
Training and mindset can change all of this. The only training that farmers get (if any) is static line shooting from standing, kneeling or prone position, great for hunting game, but completely unsuitable for tactical engagement of a "customer" who wants to "buy chickens", or 6-8 "work seekers" who arrive at 02H00. We get taught to be gentlemen, have proper table manners, we don't cheat at games and all that. But CQB training teaches you to "always cheat, always win" no matter what, because the "gentlemen" aren't. Most have had formal SADF training 35-40 years ago at best, the rules that were applied in the SADF were suitable for a battalion of troops, only load your magazine when instructed, only go one-up when you receive the order, wait until you hear the order to fire. Today those same rules of engagement get applied by the farmers, and the farmers get killed, firearms taken away, family tortured and raped.
There needs to be a change in training and mindset.
 
wingnut771 said:
The reason why they hesitate IMHO is because of the million and one different woke GFSA laws that are against the gun owner.

Also, if said gun owner in the middle of nowhere hasn't trained accordingly, then I have no sympathy for them then.
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That also contributes, but the average person will also never know how they will react when SHTF until SHTF.

As for the last, I agree, but it takes time and effort, can cost quite a lot, and for many that is not a priority in day to day life.
But yes, I agree, effective firearm ownership is very different from firearm ownership, many confuse the too and feel safe just because of ownership.
 
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