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ok so they take long.. fair enough, but producing regulations that do not address the issues wrt pricing at hand today or yesterday is a problem esp when its so badly written and open for interpretation and exploiting.
I dont know about Paris but I've read the ADSL regulations and they arent worth the paper they've been printed on. If thats the best that can be done with "extensive research" and a "lengthy public participation process" then we're in big trouble.
EDIT - BTW - it is SO pleasing to hear we're irritating the crap out of him.
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dam
Senior Member
Well at least he is finally communicating with the public, pity its just to defend himself.
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AntiThesis
Executive Member
Summary of the article:
Come on Paris. Do you really expect us to sit down and say "My what a terrific job he's done freeing up the Telecoms market!"
Bah!
Come on Paris. Do you really expect us to sit down and say "My what a terrific job he's done freeing up the Telecoms market!"
Bah!
Just reading that Paris is angry, made me angry
His royal incompetent-narcolepticness gets paid more than a member of parliament does, and Paris seems to accomplish far less than the average politician asleep on the back benches of parliament...
And Paris has the cheek to say that after more than 3 years [since February 2004 when rpm lodged MyADSL's official ADSL complaint with ICASA], of IncompetentCASA delays and 3 arduous public hearings, consumers are not allowed to expect ICASA to address the serious issues [like exorbitant pricing], and we are not allowed to expect ICASA to actually word its own regulations in a fool-proof manner...
His royal incompetent-narcolepticness gets paid more than a member of parliament does, and Paris seems to accomplish far less than the average politician asleep on the back benches of parliament...
And Paris has the cheek to say that after more than 3 years [since February 2004 when rpm lodged MyADSL's official ADSL complaint with ICASA], of IncompetentCASA delays and 3 arduous public hearings, consumers are not allowed to expect ICASA to address the serious issues [like exorbitant pricing], and we are not allowed to expect ICASA to actually word its own regulations in a fool-proof manner...
How big is a carriage on the gravy train = "the regulator’s almost 300 staff will be able to cope with what’s expected of them"
300 staff = 4 pages = x YEARS work
and what's the kicker:
An agitated Mashile says some of these attacks reduce him to a caricature and border on racism. “I’m not a picaninny pushing a wheelbarrow of fruits,” he says.
Now why does that sound familar. Ooooh ya: the anc's favourite refrain!!
300 staff = 4 pages = x YEARS work
and what's the kicker:
An agitated Mashile says some of these attacks reduce him to a caricature and border on racism. “I’m not a picaninny pushing a wheelbarrow of fruits,” he says.
Now why does that sound familar. Ooooh ya: the anc's favourite refrain!!
Please tell me he didn't just pull the 'race card'. That is like soooo yesterday man. sigh 
After years and years of abuse consumers frustration will boil over, but criticism is not racism, even a 'person' pushing a fruit filled wheelbarrow knows that.
He is the captain of a ship that is sinking, he should do the honourable thing or some serious leak stopping and shoring.
I seem to remember almost the entire MyADSL forum being behind ICASA 100% when they instituted the ADSL hearings.
After over 3 years the ambiguous result is disgusting. What did he expect, a victory parade? The only people the regs suite is TELKOM.
Mr Mashile says he is willing to talk to anyone! Right, there is a perfect opportunity to setup a formal meeting or debate with the gentleman around what ICASA does or does not do.
There are after all 2 sides to every story. It seems though whenever clarification is sought it has been difficult to get hold fo the gent, if the news reports are anything to go by.
Just a few Qs off the top of my head are
Why ICASA did not address ADSL usage allocation after 3 gigs was deemed ridiculous by everyone, except TELKOM.
Why ICASA did not address the rip-off pricing structure of ADSL despite numerous expert opinions and cost analysis supporting this claim.
Why Mr Mashile, after the regulations were published said there was no proof of this, and
why Mr Mashile and ICASA failed to investigate TELKOM's books AT ALL, when that is what the hearings, in essence, were about and where the undeniable proof would ultimately lie.
And when we do all this lets compare apples with apples, unshaped in say the OECD countries with unshaped in SA.
I also would still like to know why TELKOM reps sit in on interviews for ICASA councillors. Perhaps there is a good reason for this, it escapes me completely though, please help.
After years and years of abuse consumers frustration will boil over, but criticism is not racism, even a 'person' pushing a fruit filled wheelbarrow knows that.
He is the captain of a ship that is sinking, he should do the honourable thing or some serious leak stopping and shoring.
I seem to remember almost the entire MyADSL forum being behind ICASA 100% when they instituted the ADSL hearings.
After over 3 years the ambiguous result is disgusting. What did he expect, a victory parade? The only people the regs suite is TELKOM.
Mr Mashile says he is willing to talk to anyone! Right, there is a perfect opportunity to setup a formal meeting or debate with the gentleman around what ICASA does or does not do.
There are after all 2 sides to every story. It seems though whenever clarification is sought it has been difficult to get hold fo the gent, if the news reports are anything to go by.
Just a few Qs off the top of my head are
Why ICASA did not address ADSL usage allocation after 3 gigs was deemed ridiculous by everyone, except TELKOM.
Why ICASA did not address the rip-off pricing structure of ADSL despite numerous expert opinions and cost analysis supporting this claim.
Why Mr Mashile, after the regulations were published said there was no proof of this, and
why Mr Mashile and ICASA failed to investigate TELKOM's books AT ALL, when that is what the hearings, in essence, were about and where the undeniable proof would ultimately lie.
And when we do all this lets compare apples with apples, unshaped in say the OECD countries with unshaped in SA.
I also would still like to know why TELKOM reps sit in on interviews for ICASA councillors. Perhaps there is a good reason for this, it escapes me completely though, please help.
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Oh boo hoo!
How many times did RPM, etc try to contact ICASA to clear up these retarded ADSL regulations? There was never anyone available for comment.
We had to wait for 3 years for the regulations. There is absolutely no excuse for the shoddy result.
Catch a wake-up call Mr Mashile.
No you're not. Pushing a wheelbarrow of fruits means you'd actually have to do some work for a change.
For goodness sake man, you're never available, so what are you talking about?
How many times did RPM, etc try to contact ICASA to clear up these retarded ADSL regulations? There was never anyone available for comment.
We had to wait for 3 years for the regulations. There is absolutely no excuse for the shoddy result.
Catch a wake-up call Mr Mashile.
Dear Paris, you think you got pissed off in 2006?
You and the rest of the incestuous-doc-ANC bedfellows better start shoving those wheelbarrows quickly in 2007 as we the public aren't going to take any of your narcoletpic nonsense anymore. Were going to be at your door torches and pitchforks if you don't pull finger and do something concrete with Telkom.
Oh and btw, the wheelbarrow will go much faster if you take Ivy out of it, theres enough fruits in DoC you can pick without taking the wrinkled old prune.
You damn right we're angry.
You and the rest of the incestuous-doc-ANC bedfellows better start shoving those wheelbarrows quickly in 2007 as we the public aren't going to take any of your narcoletpic nonsense anymore. Were going to be at your door torches and pitchforks if you don't pull finger and do something concrete with Telkom.
Oh and btw, the wheelbarrow will go much faster if you take Ivy out of it, theres enough fruits in DoC you can pick without taking the wrinkled old prune.
You damn right we're angry.
TheRoDent
Cool Ideas Rep
Ag shame Paris.
bekdik
Honorary Master
A poor hapless victim of racism. Ag shame. If you can't do your damn job and people criticises you, it's not because of race, your culture or your mother, it's because you are not doing your job. Plain and simple. If you are not going to take responsibility for the stupid work, or lack thereoff, that your company is doing, then please quit mister Paris.
Prometheus
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Do I really have to say this? It's the voters who placed them second. How can the "people" be wrong? If they think government has failed then it's ONLY because it HAS. And pulling the racism card is so stale.
Fair enough, maybe this is the actual problem. The law itself is crippling their effectiveness. I have to wonder about the extensive research though with their most recent utterings in regards with pricing. I would suggest to Paris that he starts doing HIS job and actually act like the boss and ensure that the panel makes decisions in acceptable time and ensure that regulations are clear and uncircumventable.
To be clear about time consuming Public Hearings etc, Paris is in serious need of some industrial strength laxative: IIRC it took 19 weeks for IncompetentCASA to write 4 pages of draft ADSL Regs and get them gazetted [which could have been condensed into 2.5 pages using normal line-spacing], repeat: 19 weeks to produce 2.5 pages of draft ADSL regs; and how long after the next Public Hearing did it take IncompetentCASA to back-peddle on the draft ADSL regs and produce the magnificent abortion that is ICASA's actual ADSL Regs...?
IncompetentCASA took 3 years to come up with ADSL Regs that are effectively not enforced and so ambiguous as to not be enforcible, of that 3 years only a few weeks were actually comprised of public hearings.
IncompetentCASA took 3 years to come up with ADSL Regs that are effectively not enforced and so ambiguous as to not be enforcible, of that 3 years only a few weeks were actually comprised of public hearings.
Debbie
Banned
No Mr Mashile, you have not been open to meeting anyone with an issue. Not once were you available to even speak to me on the telephone. I've made around 30 phonecalls to ICASA this year, and sir, you were never available.
Since you now say you are open to meeting with your critics, I would like to take you up on this offer sometime in the future. There are many things, Mr Mashile, that I would like to discuss with you, and I'd like to hear your side of the story, and I'd like know what your plans are for the future of this broken ICASA that you now have to lead. I'd also like you to listen, sir, to our side of the story.
My point exactly.
I really hope you take this further Debbie. I'd so love you to put him on the spot so that we can get some real answers.