Fibre Migration

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Been with Frogfoot for the last year or so on my Afrihost account and using through another account for 2 years before and had it with the inconsistent line quality and packet loss. Opening a support ticket every 3 days to have connections reset. Anyways I want to migrate to Octotel and I've given all the documentation they needed a week ago but haven't had anyone reach out. Needless to say I am very antsy to have it done and get off Frogfoot since I'm still battling with packet loss after every support request and I was told to post here. @Afrigirl if there is magic to be worked please let me know what you need from me.

Ticket #DVF-584-82022
 
Been with Frogfoot for the last year or so on my Afrihost account and using through another account for 2 years before and had it with the inconsistent line quality and packet loss. Opening a support ticket every 3 days to have connections reset. Anyways I want to migrate to Octotel and I've given all the documentation they needed a week ago but haven't had anyone reach out. Needless to say I am very antsy to have it done and get off Frogfoot since I'm still battling with packet loss after every support request and I was told to post here. @Afrigirl if there is magic to be worked please let me know what you need from me.

Ticket #DVF-584-82022
Hello.

You are in a complex; only one FNO can install.

Noticed that you signed for Octotel as a migrate in, do you have an Octotal ONT?
 

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I don’t have an Octotel ONT box no, the Frogfoot one was there when I moved in but got permission from the landlord to apply for the migration.

I’m not sure if there is an agreement with the HOA to have one FNO in the complex - Octotel just came up as an option as a fibre provider on the app so I assumed I’d be able to migrate.
 
I don’t have an Octotel ONT box no, the Frogfoot one was there when I moved in but got permission from the landlord to apply for the migration.

I’m not sure if there is an agreement with the HOA to have one FNO in the complex - Octotel just came up as an option as a fibre provider on the app so I assumed I’d be able to migrate.
Hi.

Because our coverage map uses street addresses, Octotel came up as one of your providers. However, your complex is only live with Frogfoot.
 
Been with Frogfoot for the last year or so on my Afrihost account and using through another account for 2 years before and had it with the inconsistent line quality and packet loss. Opening a support ticket every 3 days to have connections reset. Anyways I want to migrate to Octotel and I've given all the documentation they needed a week ago but haven't had anyone reach out. Needless to say I am very antsy to have it done and get off Frogfoot since I'm still battling with packet loss after every support request and I was told to post here. @Afrigirl if there is magic to be worked please let me know what you need from me.

Ticket #DVF-584-82022
Hi there,

Thank you for taking the time to share your experience. We're really sorry for the ongoing frustration you’ve had with the Frogfoot line quality and the repeated packet loss issues. We understand how exhausting it is to have to log support tickets so frequently.

Kindly send us a private message with your details and we will assist you further.

Kind regards.
 
My 2 cents. Your best option is to be patient with Octotel. If you want to help expedite your ticket over others then you will need to change ISP's to Atomic.

1. Octotel is a CTW (Cape Town and Cape Winelands) ONLY and therefore the best choice in their service area (if you are lucky enough to be able to afford to live or work in their service area - they don't expand it beyond their capability to cope. Atomic are likewise and they collaborate very well. Afrihost is a GP ISP and really only have clout over GP fibre providers. In SA everything has become regional or provincial including all infrastructure including communications and the providers theroff. Frogfoot started out as a Cape Town CBD provder and worked with CBT ISP's. Unfortunately they expanded beyond their capabilities, and you are now part of that evidence. So Octotel is your only choice if you want quality and quantity of service.
2. I was lucky enought to find out when Octotel were in our neighbourhood laying their infracstructure fiber and was able to convince the Strata board to contact them and ask them (while they were on our street) to run the connection into our building of 18 units - which they did (but later than they initially said). They also ran lines to the units (actually to each floor foyer ) to make the final connection less time consuming and their final connection crews more efficient. So when I ultimately signed up the final connection (basically only the installation of the ONT inside the unit) took only a few days wait and 5 minutes onsite. I would urge you to help your fellow tenents by asking Octotel when they come for your installation to do the same. You might even canvas the other owners to sign up with Atomic/Octotel when you do.
3. ONT's and fibre lines themselves are agnostic - they don't care who installs them or who connects to them. However no company wants to take over the liability of the other company - so Octotel will not use a ONT/fiber installed by Frogfoot and vice versa. After all who is to say that your problems with Frogfoot (and there long term complete inability to find your problem link in the chain) are not with your ONT or your local fiber (normally, but not always, a very relieable links in the chain).
4. Is the Afrihost server likely to be the cause? No they are very good. But somewhere in the connection between you an them (nowadays all fiber) there is a weak link. Shorten the chain and have less links - remember that the largest POP for SA to the World is at Melkbosstrand, soon perhaps to join Cape Town City - keep the chain short and try to stay at all times with greater Cape Town. Use people who are local and motivated to find and eliminate the weak link in the neighbourhoods where they (and you) live.
 
My 2 cents. Your best option is to be patient with Octotel. If you want to help expedite your ticket over others then you will need to change ISP's to Atomic.

1. Octotel is a CTW (Cape Town and Cape Winelands) ONLY and therefore the best choice in their service area (if you are lucky enough to be able to afford to live or work in their service area - they don't expand it beyond their capability to cope. Atomic are likewise and they collaborate very well. Afrihost is a GP ISP and really only have clout over GP fibre providers. In SA everything has become regional or provincial including all infrastructure including communications and the providers theroff. Frogfoot started out as a Cape Town CBD provder and worked with CBT ISP's. Unfortunately they expanded beyond their capabilities, and you are now part of that evidence. So Octotel is your only choice if you want quality and quantity of service.
2. I was lucky enought to find out when Octotel were in our neighbourhood laying their infracstructure fiber and was able to convince the Strata board to contact them and ask them (while they were on our street) to run the connection into our building of 18 units - which they did (but later than they initially said). They also ran lines to the units (actually to each floor foyer ) to make the final connection less time consuming and their final connection crews more efficient. So when I ultimately signed up the final connection (basically only the installation of the ONT inside the unit) took only a few days wait and 5 minutes onsite. I would urge you to help your fellow tenents by asking Octotel when they come for your installation to do the same. You might even canvas the other owners to sign up with Atomic/Octotel when you do.
3. ONT's and fibre lines themselves are agnostic - they don't care who installs them or who connects to them. However no company wants to take over the liability of the other company - so Octotel will not use a ONT/fiber installed by Frogfoot and vice versa. After all who is to say that your problems with Frogfoot (and there long term complete inability to find your problem link in the chain) are not with your ONT or your local fiber (normally, but not always, a very relieable links in the chain).
4. Is the Afrihost server likely to be the cause? No they are very good. But somewhere in the connection between you an them (nowadays all fiber) there is a weak link. Shorten the chain and have less links - remember that the largest POP for SA to the World is at Melkbosstrand, soon perhaps to join Cape Town City - keep the chain short and try to stay at all times with greater Cape Town. Use people who are local and motivated to find and eliminate the weak link in the neighbourhoods where they (and you) live.
I don't agree with a few things you have said this has all sounded like a sales pitch to get them to subscribe to Atomic. I am with Vumatel JHB based FNO and Cool Ideas JHB based ISP and i have had maybe 3 to 4 downtimes in 7 or 8 years, this is down to my fibre network being very solid - Vumatel do maintenance at least every 6 months.

Fact of the matter is a lot of these FNO's rushed to try cover as many properties as they could in next to no time and created poor networks. These network weren't built with enough capacity or decent enough equipment or upgraded at any stage. This exact issue happened at my previous company while we were using Octotel their network was over capacity and our speeds were trash during the day and we had packet loss.

Frogfoot dominate a area across from me in a certain area and they had been plagued with extreme downtimes and poor capacity issues. Did being on a local ISP help anyone? No. What helped was all the ISP's constantly complaining to Frogfoot and in the end Frogfoot admitted they needed to do maintenance on the network and when they evetually did the network issues went away from what i have seen.

The problem more than likley with OP is they in a complex which only has Frogfoot exclusive and Octotel are in the neighbourhood but not inside the complex
 
I don't agree with a few things you have said this has all sounded like a sales pitch to get them to subscribe to Atomic. I am with Vumatel JHB based FNO and Cool Ideas JHB based ISP and i have had maybe 3 to 4 downtimes in 7 or 8 years, this is down to my fibre network being very solid - Vumatel do maintenance at least every 6 months.

Fact of the matter is a lot of these FNO's rushed to try cover as many properties as they could in next to no time and created poor networks. These network weren't built with enough capacity or decent enough equipment or upgraded at any stage. This exact issue happened at my previous company while we were using Octotel their network was over capacity and our speeds were trash during the day and we had packet loss.

Frogfoot dominate a area across from me in a certain area and they had been plagued with extreme downtimes and poor capacity issues. Did being on a local ISP help anyone? No. What helped was all the ISP's constantly complaining to Frogfoot and in the end Frogfoot admitted they needed to do maintenance on the network and when they evetually did the network issues went away from what i have seen.

The problem more than likley with OP is they in a complex which only has Frogfoot exclusive and Octotel are in the neighbourhood but not inside the complex
So you do agree with all of my points, I am not sure why you say otherwise. As you explain your experience. Use a locally based FNO with a locally based ISP as you have done with Vumatel and Cool Ideas and you will get good service. I have heard good things about Cool Ideas as I have with Afrihost. BUT they have no ability to perform in Cape Town with the Cape Town FNO's to the standards they have in JNB. I have been a long time client of Afrihost through the DSL days. The service they provide (or can provide) to people/services is not the same standard than they can provide in the Western Cape - its lower and aways has been for the Western Cape. This was from the days of Afrihost working with Telkom and MTN. Nothing has changed it has only got worse with the number of providers (FNO's in this case).
 
So you do agree with all of my points, I am not sure why you say otherwise. As you explain your experience. Use a locally based FNO with a locally based ISP as you have done with Vumatel and Cool Ideas and you will get good service. I have heard good things about Cool Ideas as I have with Afrihost. BUT they have no ability to perform in Cape Town with the Cape Town FNO's to the standards they have in JNB. I have been a long time client of Afrihost through the DSL days. The service they provide (or can provide) to people/services is not the same standard than they can provide in the Western Cape - its lower and aways has been for the Western Cape. This was from the days of Afrihost working with Telkom and MTN. Nothing has changed it has only got worse with the number of providers (FNO's in this case).
ISPs being regional have nothing to do with FNOs being regional.

Do you think ISP X being JHB based spending 10x per month of an ISP being based in CPT would have less clout with a CPT FNO and vice versa.
 
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