Finding a Financial Advisor

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There are numerous threads about people wanting tips on how to invest their savings etc. A good decision is always to consult a financial advisor.

But how does one go about finding a good financial advisor?

When picking a fund or share to buy, you can see their performance, financial statements etc - and in part can make somewhat of an informed decision on their performance. All this information is publicly available and there are many trusted sources to go to for this information.

How do you find a good financial advisor? How do I choose between advisor A and advisor B? What information which is publicly available and can be trusted would point me in the direction of the best financial advisor I could afford?

How did you choose your financial advisor?
 
I chose mine by word of mouth recommendation. I suggest you do the same.

PM me if you want my recommendation...
 
I chose mine by word of mouth recommendation. I suggest you do the same.

PM me if you want my recommendation...

Word of mouth helps I believe, but if two people both recommend an advisor - how do I choose?

People are normally not forthcoming with specifics regarding their financial situation, so I cant ask the guy the recommended the advisor, how much he earns, what returns he is getting and accordingly how much the advisor is charging for his services.

Also investments are long term - word of mouth is probably going to be based on the advisors short term performance.
 
I am a Financial Adviser and almost all my clients are through recommendations. I would suggest that if you have more than one recommendation then meet them both (or all) and use your judgement as to whether they are acting in your best interest, trying to 'push' you in a certain direction, basically if you feel comfortable or not.
 
For those who know nobody else who has a financial advisor - where does one start looking? Is there like a board with whom all advisors need to be registered, and thus that board has a listing of advisors?

Are there financial advisory companies?

Do i go to the advisors at my bank?

Are insurance brokers also financial advisors?

(i am not looking for an advisor myself - this is for information purposes - seem plenty threads with people asking for financial advise)
 
Yes all FAs have to be registered with the FSB .

If you dont know anyone who can recommend one then look up a few FAs in your area and go for an initial consult. Most work on commission basis only so wont cost you (see people who demund fee based FAs! :p)

Meet a few, see if you get a warm fuzzy feeling or not and then go from there. The guys who sit in the banks are possibly not going to offer the widest range of solutions so might be best to look for independents.
 
Where about do you stay? I have some recommendations for you if you're interested.
 
I'm also an FA and I have gotten almost all my clients via word of mouth referral. In this industry, honesty and integrity are highly sought after and people are happy to recommend an adviser who has served them well.

Perhaps speak to some friends of yours.. find out who deals with someone that they feel is really great. You should go with someone you trust.. Don't go into business with an adviser until you know for sure that they have integrity and your best interests at heart. If you have a need for an adviser then don't be afraid to at least meet with one.. worst case scenario you don't like him and you don't have to do business with him.

Keep in mind though, an adviser is not necessarily there to tell you which fund to invest in. As you said.. the info is freely available so anyone can do their own research. You should see an adviser as a knowledgeable friend who can help you navigate your finances, to make sure that you have a financial portfolio to cover all your needs and risks, and to help you achieve your goals with good advice and consistent long term support.
 
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For those who know nobody else who has a financial advisor - where does one start looking? Is there like a board with whom all advisors need to be registered, and thus that board has a listing of advisors?

Are there financial advisory companies?

Do i go to the advisors at my bank?

Are insurance brokers also financial advisors?

(i am not looking for an advisor myself - this is for information purposes - seem plenty threads with people asking for financial advise)

I am a financial advisor, If you need any tax advice or financial advice give me a call on 084 440 1646 I am an agent of Liberty.

Anyway specifically to your question.You start looking for a financial advisor not by person but by product. I would look ahead of time into research on what returns are the best out there,what are looking for,the types of benefits that you cant value that are inherent with the product ie member gets gym membership at reduced price,or 1 free MRI a year whatever it is.

From there,once a decision ahead of time of what you are possibly looking for ask around,or just phone.No financial advisor is going to be bad,they all work for comm,so we will never treat you badly,it will be just based on who you gel with, personality etc.

Either way,Yes I myself will give you good financial advice,but you will never be able to judge whether its good if you go into it without prior knowledge or research of anything,you wouldnt be able to compare or know whether its good
 
Never go with an adviser who only sells for a single company. Liberty has a lot of those. When they are selling for a single company they are no longer an adviser, they are a salesman (obviously).

Otherwise word of mouth and all that. Best advice I read on how to choose an adviser came from a book called "The Millionaire next door". There is an entire chapter dedicated to how successful savers picked the correct advisers.

Also at the end of the day be absolutly sure that you know what they are charging you. Some will take 5% up-front and 4-5% ongoing on your investments essentially meaning you will never truly grow your wealth. You should be hunting for low on-going fees in particular. I know of some good financial advisers who take 0% up front and 0.5% ongoing but that is for large amounts of money. For smaller investments it would be a little more. Just remember that after inflation you are lucky to earn 2% real over the long term. So if an adviser is charging you 1% you halve your growth. If they charge 5% you may as well be just investing yourself in fixed deposits and you would still win.

Personally I don't use financial planners for anything other than life cover and my will (you have to go through them). For investments I do it myself so that you don't get taken by all the fees. The more advanced economies in the world have already done away with the model where advisers get ongoing fees for advice they gave years ago. They instead work like doctors, you pay per hour and there are no ongoing fees. SA should hopefully reach that state soon and then I may consider using them again.
 
Never go with an adviser who only sells for a single company. Liberty has a lot of those. When they are selling for a single company they are no longer an adviser, they are a salesman (obviously).

Otherwise word of mouth and all that. Best advice I read on how to choose an adviser came from a book called "The Millionaire next door". There is an entire chapter dedicated to how successful savers picked the correct advisers.

Also at the end of the day be absolutly sure that you know what they are charging you. Some will take 5% up-front and 4-5% ongoing on your investments essentially meaning you will never truly grow your wealth. You should be hunting for low on-going fees in particular. I know of some good financial advisers who take 0% up front and 0.5% ongoing but that is for large amounts of money. For smaller investments it would be a little more. Just remember that after inflation you are lucky to earn 2% real over the long term. So if an adviser is charging you 1% you halve your growth. If they charge 5% you may as well be just investing yourself in fixed deposits and you would still win.

Personally I don't use financial planners for anything other than life cover and my will (you have to go through them). For investments I do it myself so that you don't get taken by all the fees. The more advanced economies in the world have already done away with the model where advisers get ongoing fees for advice they gave years ago. They instead work like doctors, you pay per hour and there are no ongoing fees. SA should hopefully reach that state soon and then I may consider using them again.

Its extremely sad to say a post like this as clearly you have met extremely poor financial advisors in your life time that do exactly what you describe as a sale.

It is an absolute disappointment to hear that there are people doing that and I agree with you 100% but again I throw the ball back into your court. Did you ask the financial advisor what his qualifications were? Did you research what similar investments were giving returns on at that particular time for a short to medium term of 2-3 years. Did you ask tough questions that had nothing to do with a product but rather a question that challenges the advisor to do EXACTLY THAT,give advice.

Yes we charge on fees for the investment and alot and I do mean alot of them do nothing to earn it, but you clearly have not come accross a decent one with the relevent qualifications, that cares for the client not the company and who constantly follows up.

I am sad to hear of your experience,but please dont go around bad mouthing everyone,there are most certainly exceptions.Banks are terrible but you get one great service consultant, Doctors are doctors until you find that one to do Your GP throughout your life. Exactly the same.Research who you are dealing with, and realistically at the end of the day, you will NEVER get away from fees be it direct or indirect.Its just how the system works.You might think you can leave a broker out,but it always goes to a broker handling it,then to a porfolio managers simple as.No matter what investment vehicle you choose fees are inevitable,nothing for nothing
 
Not to mention if you have visited the tax sections and questions within the forum I give good tax advice.
 
Hi Greg C. I have nothing against you personally and you may well be a great financial adviser. The issue I have is that the way the system is built there is a fundamental conflict of interest, especially when it comes to long term savings products. Its not your fault that it is this way but you probably benefit from it. My issue with the current system is the ongoing fee's that are given by the investment companies to the financial advisers. RA's and unit trusts already have very high fees and then on top of that the financial adviser who advised you what to buy in a 1 hour meeting gets a portion of your money for as long as you put money into the product. For an RA that you signed up for when you where 25 that could be 30 years. The other issue is that the fee is variable, and that is where the conflict of interest arises. The objective of the saver is to build up reserves for retirement. Realistically you should be happy to be earning between CPI+2 and CPI+4 as a long term average. That is not a huge margin. Add to the mix the ongoing fee of the financial adviser and your growth is heavily cut. The adviser should only be caring about your growth so he should be minimizing costs and maximizing growth yet at the same time he has to put food on the table so the adviser has a vested interest in maximizing that ongoing fee and hence reducing your growth. Its a fundamental conflict of interest, and that is my issue with the current setup.

The system that is already in place in the UK and other more advanced economies reduces this conflict of interest by cutting away all ongoing fees to financial advisers. Instead you pay them for advice on an hourly basis, similar to the way you would pay a lawyer of doctor. This system leaves no conflict of interest. The adviser absolutely wants your investment to grow the maximum possible as then you will be happy and refer more of your friends to him. Its just fundamentally better all round. The good advisers will get a lot of ongoing business and even have people put them on retainer with monthly income to give up to date advice.

As I clearly said in my post I know some very good and honest financial advisers. My wife worked for some of them for a while as a matter of fact. At the same time she told me horror stories of all the abused clients they used to get coming from other advisers who would knowingly shaft a client just to get something for themselves. High ongoing and up front fees where common and what was worse was all the cases of advisers selling people 5 copies of the exact same RA essentially multiplying the fixed fees by a factor of 5 for zero gain to the client. Why did they do this one may ask? Simple, the insurance companies where offering rewards to the financial advisers for number of policies sold. So they advisers told people with a R1000 savings plan to buy 5 identical R200 RA's so that teh adviser could win a ski trip to the Alps. That is the kind of thing that infuriates me.

So yes, there are very good people in the financial advisory business who earnestly want to help people with finances, but at the end of the day their will be fees involved. Even the honest bunch of guys my wife worked for despite their low fee structure did not impress me much. They had their own unit trust funds. There where 3 in total, CPI+2, +4, and +6. I have kept track of their fund performance and they have consistently been in the top 15 or so unit trusts in their risk brackets. Funny thing is I still get far better returns just investing my money myself into low cost EFT's like SatrixDivi or Betta Beta. Last time I checked to compare 5 year growth and their best fund had only returned 20% or so over 5 years where my return had been about 60% for the same period.

SA has very low math and financial literacy and I think the insurance and investment companies take great advantage of that. Unit trusts with their high costs are pretty much dying or dead all over the world yet SA still has a huge unit trust industry. People in first world countries are learning to invest for themselves with advice from advisers and low cost diversified ETF's make that easy. I really look forward to this being rolled out in SA as well. We have some good ETF's but their costs are still double that of the world leaders like Vanguard.

Anyways, I just want to re-iterate, my beef with financial advisers is purely in the long term savings space. Life cover works differently and very well. If you sign up for life cover the insurance companies pay the adviser up front. Provided the cover is not canceled within a short period (in which case the fee is returned to the life insurer) the adviser keeps the money. So feel free to speak to professional advisers about getting your will in order and making sure you have enough life/disability cover to care for your family and kids in the event of you dying or being incapacitated. On the other hand if you are thinking about investing for retirement just make sure your pension is in an appropriate risk bracket for your age and that you are getting your 15% tax from the pensionable allowances SARS gives and invest anything else yourself directly into ETF's or something.
 
PM me if you live in Cape Town, and I will suggest two, one Jewish, one not but both good guys
 
personally I'm anti financial advisors.
most advisors don't work for their ongoing commission.
 
Hi Greg C. I have nothing against you personally and you may well be a great financial adviser. The issue I have is that the way the system is built there is a fundamental conflict of interest, especially when it comes to long term savings products. Its not your fault that it is this way but you probably benefit from it. My issue with the current system is the ongoing fee's that are given by the investment companies to the financial advisers. RA's and unit trusts already have very high fees and then on top of that the financial adviser who advised you what to buy in a 1 hour meeting gets a portion of your money for as long as you put money into the product. For an RA that you signed up for when you where 25 that could be 30 years. The other issue is that the fee is variable, and that is where the conflict of interest arises. The objective of the saver is to build up reserves for retirement. Realistically you should be happy to be earning between CPI+2 and CPI+4 as a long term average. That is not a huge margin. Add to the mix the ongoing fee of the financial adviser and your growth is heavily cut. The adviser should only be caring about your growth so he should be minimizing costs and maximizing growth yet at the same time he has to put food on the table so the adviser has a vested interest in maximizing that ongoing fee and hence reducing your growth. Its a fundamental conflict of interest, and that is my issue with the current setup.

The system that is already in place in the UK and other more advanced economies reduces this conflict of interest by cutting away all ongoing fees to financial advisers. Instead you pay them for advice on an hourly basis, similar to the way you would pay a lawyer of doctor. This system leaves no conflict of interest. The adviser absolutely wants your investment to grow the maximum possible as then you will be happy and refer more of your friends to him. Its just fundamentally better all round. The good advisers will get a lot of ongoing business and even have people put them on retainer with monthly income to give up to date advice.

As I clearly said in my post I know some very good and honest financial advisers. My wife worked for some of them for a while as a matter of fact. At the same time she told me horror stories of all the abused clients they used to get coming from other advisers who would knowingly shaft a client just to get something for themselves. High ongoing and up front fees where common and what was worse was all the cases of advisers selling people 5 copies of the exact same RA essentially multiplying the fixed fees by a factor of 5 for zero gain to the client. Why did they do this one may ask? Simple, the insurance companies where offering rewards to the financial advisers for number of policies sold. So they advisers told people with a R1000 savings plan to buy 5 identical R200 RA's so that teh adviser could win a ski trip to the Alps. That is the kind of thing that infuriates me.

So yes, there are very good people in the financial advisory business who earnestly want to help people with finances, but at the end of the day their will be fees involved. Even the honest bunch of guys my wife worked for despite their low fee structure did not impress me much. They had their own unit trust funds. There where 3 in total, CPI+2, +4, and +6. I have kept track of their fund performance and they have consistently been in the top 15 or so unit trusts in their risk brackets. Funny thing is I still get far better returns just investing my money myself into low cost EFT's like SatrixDivi or Betta Beta. Last time I checked to compare 5 year growth and their best fund had only returned 20% or so over 5 years where my return had been about 60% for the same period.

SA has very low math and financial literacy and I think the insurance and investment companies take great advantage of that. Unit trusts with their high costs are pretty much dying or dead all over the world yet SA still has a huge unit trust industry. People in first world countries are learning to invest for themselves with advice from advisers and low cost diversified ETF's make that easy. I really look forward to this being rolled out in SA as well. We have some good ETF's but their costs are still double that of the world leaders like Vanguard.

Anyways, I just want to re-iterate, my beef with financial advisers is purely in the long term savings space. Life cover works differently and very well. If you sign up for life cover the insurance companies pay the adviser up front. Provided the cover is not canceled within a short period (in which case the fee is returned to the life insurer) the adviser keeps the money. So feel free to speak to professional advisers about getting your will in order and making sure you have enough life/disability cover to care for your family and kids in the event of you dying or being incapacitated. On the other hand if you are thinking about investing for retirement just make sure your pension is in an appropriate risk bracket for your age and that you are getting your 15% tax from the pensionable allowances SARS gives and invest anything else yourself directly into ETF's or something.

Enjoyed reading this thoroughly and once again nothing you have said cannot be done isnt done in practice or is untrue. The biggest complaint is the inability of advisors to "Work" for their fees.They sit on their arse chewing grass and continue to hunt for more individuals to sell to.Its one thing to sell a new car but what brings people back is the maintenance of that car.

One of the biggest issue is the qualification issue. Lets take the current system shall we, a lot of independent brokers etc will take aspiring "sales man" to reach target of policy sales but has no financial ability whatsoever nor the ability to or qualifications to give sound ethical advice for the maintenance.

What individuals are looking for is a solution to a financial issue with good returns but the ability and care of a financial advisor to keep the maintenance of that fund and the client happy. If markets changes,fees increase rather than focussing on the products focus on ,what the client wants,I want to save fees..Ok lets look at changing your setup.I want a different fund as currently I dont feel it is working for me...Change it for the better OF THE CLIENT not for the advisor.

Anyway,you are right but all I can say is give us a chance or atleast myself to prove you wrong.Can give it as long as you want but PM me or use my number as stated previously in this post if you are possibly interested in seeing what a qualified advisor can do.

Enjoy(PS enjoyed hearing your thoughts)
 
Hi All, we are building an online platform where you will be able to do your own financial planning with some guidance from Certified Financial Planners. Financial planning is really not difficult if you are given a framework of independent, low-cost products to work with. We have found that the life insurance premium can be 30% lower when you take away the commission portion.
We are in the development phase now and have all the licenses and product agreements in place.
Is there anything specific that you would like to see included in such an offering?

Louis
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