First drive: 2015 Subaru Outback

[Maverick Jester]

It would be the most senseless thing ever, to have a CVT mimic shift points in auto mode. In manual mode, sure.

 

[Brenden_E]

It would be the most senseless thing ever, to have a CVT mimic shift points in auto mode. In manual mode, sure.

Would be nice if they could eliminate the annoying hum of high revs that stay constant.

 

[Fazda]

Would be nice if they could eliminate the annoying hum of high revs that stay constant.

And once again you shout to the world that you have never driven one!!

The Forester is one of the lowest revving cars that you will find at 120 - just on 2000 rpm. All you are doing is repeating what you have read or heard about the old CVT.

As I said the other day, you and QT will always disagree with me, no matter what I say - I will leave what I have said, plus the tests I have posted, so that others can make a more informed decision.

I'm outta here.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Would be nice if they could eliminate the annoying hum of high revs that stay constant.

Apparently they have.

 

[Quantum Theory]

And once again you shout to the world that you have never driven one!!

The Forester is one of the lowest revving cars that you will find at 120 - just on 2000 rpm. All you are doing is repeating what you have read or heard about the old CVT.

As I said the other day, you and QT will always disagree with me, no matter what I say - I will leave what I have said, plus the tests I have posted, so that others can make a more informed decision.

I'm outta here.

Shame. Must be difficult to always be right... Even when you are clearly very wrong.

I try to stay objective (though I have been accused of being biased). You on the other hand... I have nothing against Subaru. They make great cars and they possibly make the best CVT in the business, although it is time they move to dual clutch for the WRX and 9-speed auto for the off-road vehicles. One thing is very clear however, even from looking at your "proof". Their CVT does not have virtual shifts in auto mode. Why would they do that? Then they might as well have changed it to a normal auto. How many clients did you BS with this story?

 

[Brenden_E]

Apparently they have.

The 2015 model link that QT posted it sounded pretty annoying staying at high revs. Of course this is a fairly artificial test as no one is going to drive accelerating constantly.

However, if you often drive the car hard I can imagine that it will soon drive you insane. Excuse the pun

 

[Fazda]

Shame. Must be difficult to always be right... Even when you are clearly very wrong.

I try to stay objective (though I have been accused of being biased). You on the other hand... I have nothing against Subaru. They make great cars and they possibly make the best CVT in the business, although it is time they move to dual clutch for the WRX and 9-speed auto for the off-road vehicles. One thing is very clear however, even from looking at your "proof". Their CVT does not have virtual shifts in auto mode. Why would they do that? Then they might as well have changed it to a normal auto. How many clients did you BS with this story?

You clearly choose to ignore everything that I have said, and simply put your own spin on it.
You have also painted a picture of me as some sleazy salesman who couldn't wait to bullshi t the next poor customer that came in. Anything but the truth, and I take exception to the fact that you are implying that.

In whatever words you want - their CVT "appears" to change gears, but totally seamlessly if driven on a light throttle - I have said, as have the guys who tested them. I also never sold a customer a Forester without a test drive in which I demonstrated both the smooth light throttle changing, as well as its ability to "kick down" if you floor the throttle. That type of kick down will result in the car catching up with its revs until you ease off the throttle.

As for the Forester needing a 9 speed auto...why? Or do "decent" off roaders have to be the same as your Jeep Grand Cherokee?

Finally, and lets make this absolutely clear for anyone who stumbles across this particular "discussion" - You, personally, never had a problem with anything that I said, and in fact, usually backed me up quite vehemently, until I dared to criticise a Jeep. Your petty nit picking of anything that I have said since then has been nothing if not constant and predictable. Think about it.

 

[Quantum Theory]

You clearly choose to ignore everything that I have said, and simply put your own spin on it.
You have also painted a picture of me as some sleazy salesman who couldn't wait to bullshi t the next poor customer that came in. Anything but the truth, and I take exception to the fact that you are implying that.

In whatever words you want - their CVT "appears" to change gears, but totally seamlessly if driven on a light throttle - I have said, as have the guys who tested them. I also never sold a customer a Forester without a test drive in which I demonstrated both the smooth light throttle changing, as well as its ability to "kick down" if you floor the throttle. That type of kick down will result in the car catching up with its revs until you ease off the throttle.

As for the Forester needing a 9 speed auto...why? Or do "decent" off roaders have to be the same as your Jeep Grand Cherokee?

Finally, and lets make this absolutely clear for anyone who stumbles across this particular "discussion" - You, personally, never had a problem with anything that I said, and in fact, usually backed me up quite vehemently, until I dared to criticise a Jeep. Your petty nit picking of anything that I have said since then has been nothing if not constant and predictable. Think about it.

You are still describing normal CVT operation. There are no shifts. Seriously, what is wrong with you? You have been proven wrong and you have derailed this thread completely... Yet you won't stop.

Jeep, Land Rover, VW etc... These 8/9-speeds seem to be the future for SUV's and bakkies.

The old Jeep disagreement has nothing to do with this. You have mostly been proven wrong in those discussions too.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Geez, can this be put to rest already?

I think that all of this is lost in translation. Maybe this might help.

 

[Fazda]

Geez, can this be put to rest already?

I think that all of this is lost in translation. Maybe this might help.

Thank you, but we are dealing with QT and Brenden_E, both of whom have rather sick agendas when it comes to me. Neither of them will accept whatever anyone produces when it comes to a car that I happen to like and believe in. BTW - your link will "force" them to put you in my camp which makes life very dangerous for you should you dare to write anything that conflicts with their "opinions" - God help you if you appear to back Fazda and not Quantum Theory and Brenden_E - your life on this forum is from now on targeted.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Thank you, but we are dealing with QT and Brenden_E, both of whom have rather sick agendas when it comes to me. Neither of them will accept whatever anyone produces when it comes to a car that I happen to like and believe in. BTW - your link will "force" them to put you in my camp which makes life very dangerous for you should you dare to write anything that conflicts with their "opinions" - God help you if you appear to back Fazda and not Quantum Theory and Brenden_E - your life on this forum is from now on targeted.

Persecution complex at your age? I have no agenda against you. Why would I? I have an agenda against false information... which you are an expert in posting.

 

[Fazda]

Persecution complex at your age? I have no agenda against you. Why would I? I have an agenda against false information... which you are an expert in posting.

OK, that's it - I am tired of being insulted by a couple of people who have some hidden agenda to make me look like the villain here. I am putting you on ignore and hopefully you will do the same to me, and we can both get on with our lives.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Wow. That is a first for me. Maybe I should ask the mods to clean the thread...

 

[Fazda]

Wow. That is a first for me. Maybe I should ask the mods to clean the thread...

What's a first?

The fact that you troll whatever I say to make me look stupid, or the fact that you are being put on ignore?

 

[Quantum Theory]

What's a first?

The fact that you troll whatever I say to make me look stupid, or the fact that you are being put on ignore?

WTF... Troll? Get a life.

 

[Fazda]

WTF... Troll? Get a life.

Don't worry, I have one, just amazing how you and your mate 'pop" up with a negative comment whenever I dare to mention a Subaru - if that's not trolling then what is?

 

[Quantum Theory]

Don't worry, I have one, just amazing how you and your mate 'pop" up with a negative comment whenever I dare to mention a Subaru - if that's not trolling then what is?

What freakin negative comment? The fact that a Subaru CVT does not shift gears in auto mode is not a bloody negative comment.

 

[BravoFox]

I have test driven a WRX CVT, a 2.0 Diesel Outback CVT and a non turbo 2.5X Forester CVT.
All these cars, when driven "normally" in traffic in full auto mode, has artificial "gear" shift points. It is only when you floor the go faster pedal that it behaves as in that WRX video posted here. It sounds and feels ***, but what the video proved is that it actually goes faster from 0-100 that way, since the engine is kept at peak power, and that is what a CVT is all about.

I also test drove the Subaru XV 2.0 CVT when it came out. That thing is way under powered and the CVT did not have the "shift" points and was terrible to drive.

The only reason for putting in artificial shift points in a CVT is to make it "feel" better when driving.