Flaws in dating the earth as ancient

copacetic said:
That's because you are on a constant search for motives that are more often than not as imaginary as religion. I trust the above paragraph clarifies my position.
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And how exactly do you have 56000 messages?
 
That's because you are on a constant search for motives that are more often than not as imaginary as religion. I trust the above paragraph clarifies my position.
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Splinter said:
Sorry, but BS.
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That is my perception when I've engaged with you, as well as observing your interaction with others on the forum. Luckily, we all have post histories, and people can look at yours, mine, or anyone's in light of such a claim and draw their own conclusions.
 
Splinter said:
You were obviously very clear on what I was asking.
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If my clarification shows this, then great, I am glad we were able to follow one another. I'm still a bit in the dark about how my initial posts were not pretty clear, but I make no claims to be able to articulate my thoughts as precisely as I might like.

But these years of talking to folks about these sort of topics - where be they?
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Well, all over the forum, for one, from back in the day - I dove into many religious topics with a vengeance. I cringe now at my attitude. Also, in the real world - Friends, family, school (12 years at a Catholic school, ugh), etc.

And who be treating people badly? I am assuming this was you talking about atheists? As in atheists treating silly people badly?
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I was not talking about any particular group, although the context of this conversation obviously implies that the arsehole in this situation is likely to be an atheist, yes. Calling people morons out of the gate is counterproductive, in my view but I'm not dictating what anyone ought to do, just that my stance and reactions have mellowed over the years. And I say this as an atheist who used to get very emotional about these things and go in guns blazing.
 
copacetic said:
If my clarification shows this, then great, I am glad we were able to follow one another. I'm still a bit in the dark about how my initial posts were not pretty clear, but I make no claims to be able to articulate my thoughts as precisely as I might like.
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Good thing that you realise your posts were not clear.

copacetic said:
Well, all over the forum, for one, from back in the day - I dove into many religious topics with a vengeance. I cringe now at my attitude. Also, in the real world - Friends, family, school (12 years at a Catholic school, ugh), etc.
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All over the forum? Yet you cannot show me where they are?



copacetic said:
I was not talking about any particular group, although the context of this conversation obviously implies that the arsehole in this situation is likely to be an atheist, yes. Calling people morons out of the gate is counterproductive, in my view but I'm not dictating what anyone ought to do, just that my stance and reactions have mellowed over the years. And I say this as an atheist who used to get very emotional about these things and go in guns blazing.
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There we go. So, where are the arseholes that call "people" morons "out of the gate'?
 
copacetic said:
And I say this as an atheist who used to get very emotional about these things and go in guns blazing.
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I await links to these things.

Having said that, I ask you again - what exactly is your stance? Try not to impress me with your vocabulary and appeals to emotion.
 
copacetic said:
That is my perception when I've engaged with you, as well as observing your interaction with others on the forum. Luckily, we all have post histories, and people can look at yours, mine, or anyone's in light of such a claim and draw their own conclusions.
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Actually, if anyone really looks at my post history, I try to drive to the truth and get annoyed with all the BS. I take on the folks who post absolute nonsense (imo).
 
As someone who - not on this forum - has been subjected over the years to the passionate arguments and pleas of both anti-creationist atheists and creationist fundamentals, more or less in equal intensity, what I'd like to know is: what does it matter?

There are, after all, some atheists who doubt the scientific validity of the process of dating, just as there are Christians who see the Biblical creation story as mythical and therefore not as a list of numbers to add up for the dating process. If one is an atheist, why is it irksome if another person believes the Earth is so much younger? If one is a believer, isn't that comforting enough without worrying so much that the science-based person thinks the Earth is older?

Of course, I understand that for someone whose specific scientific field of expertise is about the theories of the origins of the planet, this is the focus of all their endeavours. And any time a real-life application needs to be tested against such, probably we'll be glad of their research.

But for the rest of people mulling about in everyday life, going about their business, breathing in and breathing out... what difference does it make?
 
Splinter said:
Good thing that you realise your posts were not clear.
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You seem to be the only person having trouble following along, but I'm happy to provide clarity where I can.

All over the forum? Yet you cannot show me where they are?
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I was not aware that this was a point of contention that would require backing up (why would it? I'm just commenting on my past behaviour). Also, I've been posting here since 2009, and have tens of thousands of posts, and a lot of the more heated religious threads ended up getting heavily censored. I have no inclination, in any event, to go looking for decade-old posts of me being a prick. I cannot fathom why you'd need proof - Do you think I'm fibbing for some reason?

There we go. So, where are the arseholes that call "people" morons "out of the gate'?
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"There we go" what? This literally happened in the 6th post of this thread...
 
Splinter said:
Actually, if anyone really looks at my post history, I try to drive to the truth and get annoyed with all the BS. I take on the folks who post absolute nonsense (imo).
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Sure thing - I have my view of your behaviour, you have your view and anyone else can weigh in, since it's all public. For what it's worth, I do think your intentions are generally good, but I also think you tend to get swept up in paranoia about people's motives, and I don't think your own are quite as noble as you paint them (i.e. I think you enjoy the fight and being an internet detective, more than some grand moral act of casting a light on the shadows).
 
Gozado said:
As someone who - not on this forum - has been subjected over the years to the passionate arguments and pleas of both anti-creationist atheists and creationist fundamentals, more or less in equal intensity, what I'd like to know is: what does it matter?
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o_O Because the truth is the only thing that matters at the end of the day.
 
I meant during the day. During every day. How does it actually affect anyone's everyday life to know how old the planet may or may not be? I don't think it does. Neither scientifically nor spiritually.
 
Dating the Earth as ancient is indeed severely flawed.

Note that this has nothing to with religion and/or a religious view/opinion.
It's a fact.
Simple as that.
 
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