Flirting VS Friendliness

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Morning all :)

So I've recently become single :o and to prevent further confusion I've been having regarding dating, I figured I'd bring my dating question's to MyBB :)

So a couple of womenz have been approaching me and with a couple I've gotten kinda friendly with but I'm not sure if they are just being friendly or are flirting.
I've never been very good at "flirting" so it's kinda hard for me to notice.

A bit introverted so that makes things a little more difficult.
So any hints you guys or ladies can give me to assist would be much appreciated.
 
I'd say its a fine line, and I am no expert, but if you are on the lookout for signs for when it is not friendliness anymore, I'd say, if you get 2 - 3 signs simultaneously, its not friendliness anymore.

Lets look at examples:
- She smiles and laughs at all your jokes. This on it's own is not yet flirting.
- She looks you in the eyes while you tell a story/joke or just talking. This on it's own is not yet flirting.
- She touches you on the forearm. This on it's own, could be something but not necessarily.
- She turns her whole body torwards you, while you two are in conversation, ie. not 45 degrees away from you.

Put all of the above together, and that is a situation where it is more than friendliness. It is also just one example, of 4 signs put together. Remember, if a girl want you to know she is interested in more than friends, she will not always say it, especially if she is not too forward, instead it will be in her behavior, called subtle signs.

The thing however is, the more you are in theses situations, the better you will become at reading them. I personally still have a very hard time, but I think it gets better with time.

So basically, just be very observant in all situations.
 
Lets look at examples:
- She smiles and laughs at all your jokes. This on it's own is not yet flirting.
- She looks you in the eyes while you tell a story/joke or just talking. This on it's own is not yet flirting.
- She touches you on the forearm. This on it's own, could be something but not necessarily.
- She turns her whole body torwards you, while you two are in conversation, ie. not 45 degrees away from you.
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Bugger! DAMN YOU BOOZE DAMN YOU! I just realised what happened on the weekend thanks to this advice. Thanks Tinuva, and sorry for stealing info from your thread Pho3nix.

I must say I am terrible in this dept as well. I have no idea if someone is flirting with me or not so I just go balls to the wall forward and see what happens. Had some, lost some, embarrassed myself plenty...
 
Bugger! DAMN YOU BOOZE DAMN YOU! I just realised what happened on the weekend thanks to this advice. Thanks Tinuva, and sorry for stealing info from your thread Pho3nix.

I must say I am terrible in this dept as well. I have no idea if someone is flirting with me or not so I just go balls to the wall forward and see what happens. Had some, lost some, embarrassed myself plenty...
Haha sorry to hear you missed out on an opportunity, but I am always happy if I could give someone some kind of a tip to help them.

Was funny to read that comment, of yours, but sadly it happens so many times to so many good guys out there :(
 
Need to learn to read the standard flirtation tells as listed above,and even if they aren't - go for it
 
Haha sorry to hear you missed out on an opportunity, but I am always happy if I could give someone some kind of a tip to help them.

Was funny to read that comment, of yours, but sadly it happens so many times to so many good guys out there :(

I will redeem myself within the week - as the opportunity (while blown) is not lost forever :)
 
She touches you on the forearm. This on it's own, could be something but not necessarily

This happens quite a bit - I just thought this is how woman engage in conversations?
 
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On a more serious note, you didn't stipulate wether or not you are looking for a partner or want to stay single? Not to shoot down Tinuva's contribution, but those four points are not really sufficient however it is a good start (minus point 3, 1 to 4 can just purely be politeness and natural neutral response even when combined). Women who are forward will be obvious to you, so that would leave the traditional non-forward crowd. Furthermore flirting doesn't necessarily mean there is an interest, quite a few women flirt for fun/attention/boredom/whatever. There isn't a surefire way to check, however you can introduce elements that would elicit an "either or" response. Some of these methods can be a real ******* way of doing things.

This could come across as sexist/bad/insulting/whatever. My bad.

If she is really interested in you then she will get real jealous when you introduce another woman that you are well acquainted with but she doesn't know, and you provide more attention to that woman. (Trap Note! Attention seeking, controlling women will still exhibit the jealousy trade and will probably engage the other woman in order to protect their boy toy).

If you find yourself doing things or sharing time with just her (not a date) semi frequently (time spent is relatively subjective to respective individuals) on events that wouldn't naturally pair you two (as opposed to biking in the same team because you are in the same biking club) this is a mildly strong sign, especially if it is events such as cooking your normal meal (Trap Note: if you are a tool to her, you will find yourself being leveraged to do things she wants more often than you want (unless you like these sort of things). You will probably obey in order to please her or some stupidity to that effect. Stand your ground and try have things more often your way. Note, too controlling and bossy will drive away the real deal while too little will just come across as weak. You will need to find the balance that will scare away the fakes and keep the real ones, in most cases you wont find many persistent fakes.)

If you are on occasion (or more) the subject of girl talk when she speaks to her female friends (or the friend zone guys), this is another good sign. You will need to somehow find a way to extract this information from her friends.

As mentioned by Tinuva, physical contact is a key component. Try remove completely any contact you initiate and only be reactionary, as in only return physical contact after she initiated first. Exceptions are situational, such as catching her from falling (however if she does fall and injure herself, this could provide a legitimate excuse to treat her at your house). Note, some people are more physically orientated so contact on its own isn't a stable source of information. WHERE she touches and how long however, will indicate better. Hugs are a good place to start, it provides the intimacy under the guise of being friendly. How and where she hugs you will be subjective, however if she lingers when you break contact (discounting situations such as when she is sad and needs physical/emotional comfort) thats another good sign.

If she is really interested in you, she will try to integrate her life to match yours to some extent. Examples being she will suddenly find interests in your hobbies or at the very least try, hobbies she herself never had before. This rotates back to the previous point about spending time together I mentioned previously, use your discretion.

Lastly, introduce light sexual tension in the conversations (problematic if she is ultra conservative/religious/etc). This relates back to flirting, however if she is interested you will find that the lightness of the topic will escalate to mildly serious to serious-deepest-darkest-fantasies level. Anyone else will have already aborted at the mild level. (Trap Note: If she is slutty then you will likely achieve the same end result with the real deal. Good or bad, you may have scored yourself a sex buddy instead of a girlfriend).

By no means a guide or anything, nor will any of these situations combined completely or otherwise will yield the expected solution.

The ultimate fool-proof solution to this problem is simply to just tell her you want to be together if you are interested and you think she is interested. It's only awkward if you think it's awkward.
 
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This happens quite a bit - I just thought this is how woman engage in conversations?

Well like I said, in my experience that is a pretty strong signal, but on its own...it could just be a overly friendly girl who doesn't realize that she is leading you on by mistake, but that being said, she has to pretty comfortable around you if she is just friendly while doing that.
 
Now see, Mystic Twilight obviously has more experience :) My post was just a general starting point of someone that has some idea but not much experience :(
 
Act like she's already yours if she goes along with it then you're sorted if she doesn't playfully go along with it shes not interested.
 
Just pool the "naked man" move on them, then you'll know if they want you or not. Stop beating around the bush ;)

Ha ha ha - believe this or not, I actually had that episode in my mind a few days ago thinking it would be funny. It is not the sort of thing I do but it is the sort of thing I find funny. Hell, I think I must set up an opportunity to do that anyway, just for the laugh...

It will be Gregen.....
dary!
 
Or hit on her.. if she hits back you're sorted if not shes not interested. Something like "lets leave them here and go get a ice cream u in?" If shes game, she IS game ;). Talk about slow isn't this elementary?
 
I basically fleshed out everything in detail, realistically everything goes in a matter of moments and you don't have the time to analyse. Just go with the flow and instinct. For the love of sanity just ask directly, not by phone, text message, bbm, etc. Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS).
 
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