Forms of Suicide

[guest2013-1]

I was watching (yet another) program about obesity and it affectig today's society. Watching the interviews with psychiatrists and people's "excuses" for being over weight.

That made me think.

Is it a form of suicide if you're obese, know why you're obese and just don't do anything about it?

Do life insurance pay out on people who died because their heart gave out (which was naturally due to the obesity)?

I know my life insurance policy has a clause in there for suicide and that they won't pay out if I die because of it.

So would they consider it a form of suicide or not?

 

[CathJ]

No.

Suicide is an active decision and action.

And obesity doesn't necessarily lead to death, and it's not quite as immediate as suicide. Otherwise you'd have to include everyone who drinks, smokes, doesn't eat enough fruit and veg, plays dangerous sports, rides a motorbike or bicycle, doesn't get enough sleep, gets pregnant... everything we do in live has a risk of death. Accepting the risk for the short-term benefits doesn't mean that you're intending to die.

 

[killadoob]

I have been thinking about obesity for awhile since i have started chowing junk like there is no tomorrow and while i am lucky in as much as i have a fast metabolism so i do not put on the weight quite as quickly but my point is that i cannot control myself when it comes to junk food at the moment i think chocolate and chow one. Now for someone who puts on weight fast and cannot control their eating habits i can see where obesity comes from. Once a fat person hits a point of no return they will find it near impossible to do anything about it. It's like being a drug addict, food is your drug and like many addicts of drugs cigi's alcohol they cannot resist it.

So it is not a form of a suicide but more an addiction to food.

 

[guest2013-1]

Yea but my point is those people who know the consequences of obesity and still goes ahead living that lifestyle.

Obesity is linked with depression as well (which I didn't mention in the OP)

Most of what you mentioned are accidents, but that poses the question as well, smokes/drinks excessively. I'm sure that can be a form of suicide?

Why would you actively do something that can cause your untimely demise?

 

[CathJ]

Yea but my point is those people who know the consequences of obesity and still goes ahead living that lifestyle.

Obesity is linked with depression as well (which I didn't mention in the OP)

Most of what you mentioned are accidents, but that poses the question as well, smokes/drinks excessively. I'm sure that can be a form of suicide?

Why would you actively do something that can cause your untimely demise?

I'd be careful with that one - I suspect that it's a cycle more than a direct cause/result. Depression can lead to overeating (there's a huge psychological aspect to overeating), and then poor self-image leads to depression, and on it goes.

I don't really agree with you about accidents - if I overeat, there's a risk I'll develop diabetes or heart problems (a risk, not a certainty). If I go hang-gliding, there's a risk I'll have a fatal accident. Either way it's a conscious decision to take the risk.

And I still feel that suicide has an immediate result. I guess if you deliberately ate small amounts of a cumulative poison over several years, you'd be committing suicide slowly, but in general it's more instantaneous.

Oh, and to answer your last question: why would you do something to cause your untimely demise? (a) because it's a risk, not a certainty, and (b) the short term payoff is good. I'm not saying it's always a rational decision, at all, but that's the way it works. Everyone simply has the benefit/risk line in a different place.

 

[killadoob]

Obesity can cause major depression, your not getting your fix and more you eat the more you want the more your body needs it.

Of course Obesity is linked to depression. Cath going handgliding is low risk, eating everything in sight and becoming obese has major risks. I don't think you can say hand gliding and obesity carry the same amount of risks, hand gliding you do not know if something will go wrong but can you say the same about eating like a pig and being obese? no you can't because you know something will go wrong sooner or later.

 

[CathJ]

Obesity can cause major depression, your not getting your fix and more you eat the more you want the more your body needs it.

Of course Obesity is linked to depression. Cath going handgliding is low risk, eating everything in sight and becoming obese has major risks. I don't think you can say hand gliding and obesity carry the same amount of risks, hand gliding you do not know if something will go wrong but can you say the same about eating like a pig and being obese? no you can't because you know something will go wrong sooner or later.

Maybe not quite the same level of risk - but yes, you can do a dangerous activity which might go well, and might not. Obesity can cause problems, but might not. My point is that it's not a 100% definite thing that if you're overweight you will develop health issues and die younger than you would otherwise.

 

[pope24]

Resume by Dorothy Parker

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

 

[killadoob]

Cath by calling it obese we not talking 10 or 20kgs over weight we are talking 100 200 kgs over weight, that does cause problems and will cause problems.

Have your ever seen an obese old person say in their 70's? i have never in my life seen an obese person above 60 let alone 70.

So yes i would have to say being obese will end your life alot earlier and i am afraid thats a fact if you ask me.

Obese people get no exercise, eat poorly and put a huge amount of pressure on their bodies, majority will never see 70.

Obesity is a disease, but it also poses a threat as a common risk factor for various adult diseases. Compared to non-obese people, obese people have a 4-fold higher incidence rate of high blood pressure, 8-fold for diabetes, 10-fold for hyperlipidemia, and 2.5-fold for fatty liver. When the body adds excess fat, physical changes and vascular system abnormalities occur, such as an increase of fat in blood. Increased body weight puts strain on the body's joints, especially the knees, so there is a high chance of degenerative arthritis. Cholelithiasis, amenorrhea, and infertility are also associated with obesity.

Obesity-associated Disease
1. Diabetes
2. Hyperlipidemia
3. Blood circulation diseases like arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure, heart disease, and palsy
4. Skin disease
5. Joint problems, back, knee, and ankle pain
6. Liver disease
7. Cholelithiasis
8. Menstrual abnormalities
9. Female infertility
10. Breast cancer - autodiagnosis
11. Endometrium cancer
12. Decline in libido
13. Mental stress

This cath is not fiction or not what might happen, this is what happens when your obese. Personally i would rather go hand gliding everyday than the thought of eating my way to these problems. Basically cath hand gliding towards a building would not be a good idea and you could steer away from it, obese people do not steer away from the building .

 

[CathJ]

Cath by calling it obese we not talking 10 or 20kgs over weight we are talking 100 200 kgs over weight, that does cause problems and will cause problems.

Have your ever seen an obese old person say in their 70's? i have never in my life seen an obese person above 60 let alone 70.

So yes i would have to say being obese will end your life alot earlier and i am afraid thats a fact if you ask me.

Obese people get no exercise, eat poorly and put a huge amount of pressure on their bodies, majority will never see 70.

Okay, if you're talking 100 to 200kg overweight then I'll agree with you. But then you're in the range of not being able to fit through doorways, and you're likely to have health problems just because you can't physically get to a doctor.

In the range of 40 to 50Kg overweight, though, I stick to my original points.

 

[windowlicker]

I was watching (yet another) program about obesity and it affectig today's society. Watching the interviews with psychiatrists and people's "excuses" for being over weight.

That made me think.

Is it a form of suicide if you're obese, know why you're obese and just don't do anything about it?

Do life insurance pay out on people who died because their heart gave out (which was naturally due to the obesity)?

I know my life insurance policy has a clause in there for suicide and that they won't pay out if I die because of it.

So would they consider it a form of suicide or not?

I would find it an excessively mad approach to killing yourself as it takes a long time to die I can imagine.

I think the insurance guys would pay out.

 

[killadoob]

Cath obese means exactly that huge . Yes sure 40-50kgs over weight may not cause those problems but 40-50kgs over weight is alot and i am sure would put massive pressure on your heart and you would not live to see 70 either. I have been trying to think about the old people i have seen and not once can i say i have even seen one that is 20kgs over weight. My gran worked for a few old age homes as a hair dresser and i used to help her and cannot think of one fat old person.

 

[CathJ]

Cath obese means exactly that huge . Yes sure 40-50kgs over weight may not cause those problems but 40-50kgs over weight is alot and i am sure would put massive pressure on your heart and you would not live to see 70 either. I have been trying to think about the old people i have seen and not once can i say i have even seen one that is 20kgs over weight. My gran worked for a few old age homes as a hair dresser and i used to help her and cannot think of one fat old person.

Actually you'd be amazed at what is classed as clinically obese. I know people who have a BMI indicating that they are clinically obese, but while they look a bit overweight you wouldn't call them obese. They also have low cholesterol and healthy hearts.

I think the reason you don't see fat old people is because you tend to lose weight as you get into that "old person" age bracket; you eat less, you lose muscle, you lose bone density. It's not because you die before you get that old (and yes, I have seen overweight old people - haven't you seen chubby old grannies and grandpas?)

 

[Lord Anubis]

If you gain weight fast and then crash diet and do that over and over (yo-yo style) you wear out your heart as well. Then BANG one day you're 40 and you have a heart attack..I know..been there, done that! It was awful and hurt like hell! Thankfully I made it..I could have died..goodbye smokes..goodbye suiping..goodbye fry-ups..hello brown seed bread

 

[guest2013-1]

If you gain weight fast and then crash diet and do that over and over (yo-yo style) you wear out your heart as well. Then BANG one day you're 40 and you have a heart attack..I know..been there, done that! It was awful and hurt like hell! Thankfully I made it..I could have died..goodbye smokes..goodbye suiping..goodbye fry-ups..hello brown seed bread

lol, uncle samies (salies?) brown bread is the bomb yo. I can eat a whole loaf without blinking.... mmmmm

 

[Deenem]

This is all very well, except, life insurance companies do pay out for suidcide in certain cases, in America anyway.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns...e-be-paid-out-on-someone-executed-for-a-crime