FTTH vs FTTB

[scoull]

Is there anyone that can give me some info on what exactly the difference is between the 2. Just trying to justify why there is such a huge price difference between the 2 options.

If a company is moving from a 10Mbps DSL line to a 100Mbps fibre line,
Costs for FTTH is aprox. R1100.00 to R2000.00 per month.
Cost for FTTB is R9000.00 and upwards per month.

ISPs talk about contention ratios and all of that, but for a small business surely a FTTH package is better

My question is it really necessary for businesses to have to pay the ridiculous FTTB rates and why?

 

[koeksGHT]

Depends if the network will supply a home service to a business complex. If you are in a residential home you can get away with home line but they don't install "ftth" products in business areas.

 

[Geoff.D]

First of all the correct meaning of the FTTB is Fibre To The Building , not as has become the norm here in SA, Fibre To the Business.

Second,

FTTH technology is generally speaking done with Asynchronous technologies where the up stream and down stream data rates are not equal.

Businesses tend to be provided with full duplex or synchronous services on more capable technologies which allow for balanced up and down stream data rates, including QoS, based on a fibre pair instead of a single core.

 

[scoull]

Thanks, Looks like as a tenant in a complex we will get the option to use FTTH packages. I personally see no reason why we can't use a FTTH package instead of been pushed into a FTTB package by the ISP

 

[scoull]

Thanks for your reply. Lets just say a building has 10 tenants in it. The way I am understanding it is that the tenants are getting the option of FTTH packages from the installer.

 

[Geoff.D]

Thanks for your reply. Lets just say a building has 10 tenants in it. The way I am understanding it is that the tenants are getting the option of FTTH packages from the installer.

Depends on the technology used by the service provider installing the fibre connection.


Some are installing full duplex systems, capable of ME services (DFA), others are deploying FTTH technologies such as AON (Vumatel), and others are installing EPON or GPON (OpenServe).

GPON typically use a single core connection back to the distribution point shared between up to 64 users. (Upstream and down stream on different wavelengths on a single fibre core).

The question you need to ask of a provider working your building/complex is exactly what technology he is going to deliver.

All of this is not a big deal provided you do not intend to want more than a 100 Mb/s connection and are happy with an asynchronous service.

 

[scoull]

Depends on the technology used by the service provider installing the fibre connection.


Some are installing full duplex systems, capable of ME services (DFA), others are deploying FTTH technologies such as AON (Vumatel), and others are installing EPON or GPON (OpenServe).

GPON typically use a single core connection back to the distribution point shared between up to 64 users. (Upstream and down stream on different wavelengths on a single fibre core).

The question you need to ask of a provider working your building/complex is exactly what technology he is going to deliver.

All of this is not a big deal provided you do not intend to want more than a 100 Mb/s connection and are happy with an asynchronous service.

Many thanks for the info, but going from a 10mbps to a 100Mbps asynchronous service would be a massive improvement from what we currently get anyway.

 

[PBCool]

We get this question all the time, but to give you an example say a business with 100 Users takes a 100Mbps line from us for R999.00 and our policy is unlimited internet with no usage restrictions and no shaping. Does that make business sense, no because the Business will be using far more than a household of 6 which the product is designed for.

So our policy is simple if you have 5 users or less you can use a FTTH product which we may review with you as a customer every year, and if you are more than 5 you need to subscribe to a Business product. You then also get static IPs etc along with it.

Also on this note most "Business" office parks etc that are built using DFA for instance attract a far higher line fee than a regular fibre to the home application due to SLAs in place.

So these are all contributing factors, if you are a business you should be able to afford a business service if it is required for your business to run correctly

 

[Zook]

You then also get static IPs etc along with it.

I've seen that advertised for FTTB. What's the benefit of the static IP's?

 

[koeksGHT]

I've seen that advertised for FTTB. What's the benefit of the static IP's?

Can point a domain if needed, hosting services basically. IP cameras you access on cameras.homeblabla.co.za stuff like that.

 

[scoull]

We get this question all the time, but to give you an example say a business with 100 Users takes a 100Mbps line from us for R999.00 and our policy is unlimited internet with no usage restrictions and no shaping. Does that make business sense, no because the Business will be using far more than a household of 6 which the product is designed for.

So our policy is simple if you have 5 users or less you can use a FTTH product which we may review with you as a customer every year, and if you are more than 5 you need to subscribe to a Business product. You then also get static IPs etc along with it.

Also on this note most "Business" office parks etc that are built using DFA for instance attract a far higher line fee than a regular fibre to the home application due to SLAs in place.

So these are all contributing factors, if you are a business you should be able to afford a business service if it is required for your business to run correctly

Thanks very much, I understand what you saying. Another thing for a business of +/- 50 users that has been running on 2 10Mbps DSL lines uncapped business accounts. The extra cost involved of applying for Business Fibre 100Mbps is a massive additional cost to what they were paying on a monthly basis.

 

[PBCool]

Thanks very much, I understand what you saying. Another thing for a business of +/- 50 users that has been running on 2 10Mbps DSL lines uncapped business accounts. The extra cost involved of applying for Business Fibre 100Mbps is a massive additional cost to what they were paying on a monthly basis.

Agreed but this is a cost that is coming down all the time, if a business has a requirement for connectivity and has 50 users. It should budget to include fibre, unfortunately in this industry IT in general is the last thing that comes up in budget in small business .

 

[Zook]

Agreed but this is a cost that is coming down all the time, if a business has a requirement for connectivity and has 50 users. It should budget to include fibre, unfortunately in this industry IT in general is the last thing that comes up in budget in small business .

It is coming down but it's still a step up from FTTH, and when people have an obvious comparison they'll make it. Definitely some of the price is "what the market will bear" and there are enough businesses that'll pay 3k-7k for fibre that the industry isn't looking at the middle ground between 1-3k. I spoke with a retail tech shop a couple weeks ago and he was bemoaning the price. 3k for him is a lot and he'll make do with ADSL for now. Definitely opportunity there...

The other side of the "cost", which businesses should be focusing on, is "what is the cost of my line being down?" If not much, then who cares. But I've done some work with a team that has 20 people each charging 500-1k per hour, but they bitch about the business price of fibre so discussions have gone on for 6 months about getting it. Downtime has definitely hurt more than the full 6 months would cost, not including the mickey-mouse feeling foreign customers get when we can't Skype properly. This is almost the very definition of false economy. Pay the money and focus on what you do, rather than worrying about 2k a month (price difference between providers) and losing 20k because of it.

 

[GuileX]

My company is trying to get Fibre, according to openserve we can get fibre, Afrihost said they do not yet do fibre for business.

Getting confused about all the politics. How does a business get fibre?

 

[PBCool]

My company is trying to get Fibre, according to openserve we can get fibre, Afrihost said they do not yet do fibre for business.

Getting confused about all the politics. How does a business get fibre?

We offer "business fibre" over openserve, which means uncontended and you get a fixed IP. The only thing to remember is that it is best effort from Openserves side of things. https://www.cisp.co.za/fttb/openserve-business/