Gaddafi's son killed

[BTTB]

You can extend that to hundreds of other fiefdoms!

My immediate concern (other than the Libyan general population) is for the Syrians. Why is the UN not stepping in to stop the mass murder of innocent civilians?

Popular answer > Does Syria have oil, if the answer is no then that is why the UN does not act.
Seriously I have no idea why the UN will make more effort with one country compared to another. Surely the UN should be presented a UNITED front on all aspects across the Globe.
I suppose certain member nations carry more clout than others and here could be the problem as they follow their own agenda and not the common good.

 

[D.B.Cooper]

In 2006 Saif al-Arab enrolled as a student at the Technical University of Munich in Germany. Later that year while living as a student in Munich Saif al-Arab became involved in a fight with a nightclub bouncer. This happened after his girlfriend was thrown out of a Munich nightclub. In 2008, Saif al-Arab was still studying in Munich. Excessive noise from the exhaust of his Ferrari F430 led to questions from the German police and his car being impounded. It was also in 2008 that Saif al-Arab was suspected of attempting to smuggle an assault rifle, a revolver and munitions from Munich to Paris in a car with diplomatic number plates. However, the case was later dropped as the alleged weapons were never found and the German public prosecutor decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution. In addition to his studies, Al Jazeera has reported that while in Munich Saif al-Arab engaged in unspecified business activities and spent much of his time partying

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[w1z4rd]

You can extend that to hundreds of other fiefdoms!

My immediate concern (other than the Libyan general population) is for the Syrians. Why is the UN not stepping in to stop the mass murder of innocent civilians?

Because of people complaining like you are.

Also, they are currently in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, Korea, Libya and about a dozen other countries. The real question is why has no one in the "East" offered to help the people? Why does it always need to be the West and the UN? Russia has no problems conquering other countries when it wants as we saw in Georgia.

 

[MickeyD]

Because of people complaining like you are.

Complaining? You judge me unfairly. Read my posts fully.

If the issue is with a despot, take him out. Properly. With a targeted bullet with his name engraved on it.

 

[w1z4rd]

Complaining? You judge me unfairly. Read my posts fully.

When I typed that it was not meant to be are you directly, but people similar to you who complain every time the UN removes a dictator. Its become so political people dont care whats important for the people on the ground, they just want the whole situation to fit their ideology. So if America or the UN is in another country removing a dictator, instantly those protractors do not see a dictator being removed, they see McDonalds army invading their religion or ideology. At the end of the day the worlds dictator count drops every generation... and its almost never without assistance.

My wifes country has being liberated twice by Americans and they have a very positive perspective on Americans because of the liberation. Today they have a growing democracy.

If the issue is with a despot, take him out. Properly. With a targeted bullet with his name engraved on it.

I kinda think thats what the UN is trying to do this while trying to not take out civilians.

 

[Palimino]

My immediate concern (other than the Libyan general population) is for the Syrians. Why is the UN not stepping in to stop the mass murder of innocent civilians?

This is a good point. However, I feel that UN intervention in Syria (it may still happen) may ignite a wider conflagration across the ME. W1z4rd also makes a valid point:

The real question is why has no one in the "East" offered to help the people? Why does it always need to be the West and the UN?

Why should the West risk the lives of their populations dealing with someone else’s crap? Besides, they will only be vilified if they do intervene. I am coming around to thinking that they should sort-out their own problems in their shithole countries with their shithead dictators.

 

[Alan]

Popular answer > Does Syria have oil, if the answer is no then that is why the UN does not act.
Seriously I have no idea why the UN will make more effort with one country compared to another. Surely the UN should be presented a UNITED front on all aspects across the Globe.
I suppose certain member nations carry more clout than others and here could be the problem as they follow their own agenda and not the common good.

that would be the naive, ignorant answer. It would be wrong of course. Syria does have some oil.

The U.N is not acting because world powers don't want it to. Russia and China are blocking any resolution for an ally. The Obama administration can't push it because they portrayed Assad as a 'reformer', France and Britain are stretched to breaking point with Libya and Germany will never lift a finger to help anybody.

Complaining? You judge me unfairly. Read my posts fully.

If the issue is with a despot, take him out. Properly. With a targeted bullet with his name engraved on it.

You make it sound so easy

 

[w1z4rd]

Why should the West risk the lives of their populations dealing with someone else’s crap? Besides, they will only be vilified if they do intervene. I am coming around to thinking that they should sort-out their own problems in their shithole countries with their shithead dictators.

I think that was tried, 9/11 was the result. Meaning... if you dont sort out the crap, the crap comes to you.

 

[killadoob]

You can extend that to hundreds of other fiefdoms!

My immediate concern (other than the Libyan general population) is for the Syrians. Why is the UN not stepping in to stop the mass murder of innocent civilians?

Mickey the UN have no idea who are the good and bad guys. Egypt now has the muslim brotherhood looking likely to take over. This is not good news. So who will come to power if syria falls?

The biggest problem at the moment is nobody knows who the bad guys are, so if the UN helps syria how are they going to ensure an extremist organization does not come to power? The US have been nailed before by backing bad guys.

"Keen to see Afghanistan under strong central rule to allow a US-led group to build a multi-billion-dollar oil and gas pipeline, Washington urged key allies Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to back the militia's bid for power in 1996, analysts said."

If you help syria where do you stop? Where do you draw the line?

 

[MickeyD]

If you help syria where do you stop? Where do you draw the line?

I agree but then why are the UN in Libya? There is a lack of consistency.

 

[killadoob]

I agree but then why are the UN in Libya? There is a lack of consistency.

I sense the UN are worried about the shia/sunni conflict at the moment throughout the middle east.

They both hate each other and syria is majority sunni. So how do you sort that out? 70% of the country is sunni or something close to that. The protestors won't be happy with another sunni government and democratically the shia's could never be voted into power because they are the minority.

So how do you pick sides there?

 

[The_Assimilator]

Welp, sounds like the new anti-assh0le guided missiles the UN are testing are working well. On the downside, they still need to be adjusted so they aim for the biggest assh0le, not just the nearest one.

 

[Palimino]

The biggest problem at the moment is nobody knows who the bad guys are, so if the UN helps syria how are they going to ensure an extremist organization does not come to power? The US have been nailed before by backing bad guys.

I have no proof of this, but I don’t think overt hostility is likely in the short term.

Consider:
#1 To distract attention from their own oppression and screw-ups, tyrants demonise Israel or the US and unite populations that way. I don’t think its grassroots driven – it’s a leadership ploy (although there is no love lost I’m sure).

#2 A fragile, fractured, poor country, after tyrant sanitising, is going to go gunning for Israel or the US? I don’t think so. Even in their wildest wet dreams they know they don’t stand a chance. Much better to play the pity card to the US for aid and play the burden-of-guilt card to Israel for expertise, and the international community. Opportunities to vilify Israel as it tries to help will occur. Win/win.