Geforce Now: a gaming PC in the cloud

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I ran a search and didn't find any mention of this, sorry if it's already been posted.

I just learned today that Nvidia recently announced Geforce Now, and I wonder if it's something any of you would be interested in?

All you have to do is download the client app (you can register for early access now still if you want) and then you get this:
A GeForce GTX 1080 or 1060 PC gaming experience streamed from our NVIDIA Pascal™ GPU-powered data centers in the cloud
The freedom to install your own games from game store platforms like Steam, Origin, Uplay, GOG, and Battle.net onto a virtual gaming PC in the cloud and play them on your Mac or PC

Cost: You can purchase 20 hours of on-demand playtime on a GeForce GTX 1060-class PC, or 10 hours of playtime on a GeForce GTX 1080-based PC, for $25.

The way I figure it, that comes to R32/hour for a 1080-based PC equivalent on sommer any old machine. It's kinda pricey thanks to our exchange rate :(
 
All you need to participate is a 25 Mbps or faster Internet connection and to be a resident of the continental United States.

Will have to confirm it works over a VPN and they accept non-US payments.
 
Will have to confirm it works over a VPN and they accept non-US payments.

I'm pretty sure that's just a launch limitation, if it works they'll go global. It's just about hosting instances of the gaming PC in data centres in each target country, and we have some big data centres right here in South Africa.
 
Cost: You can purchase 20 hours of on-demand playtime on a GeForce GTX 1060-class PC, or 10 hours of playtime on a GeForce GTX 1080-based PC, for $25.

The way I figure it, that comes to R32/hour for a 1080-based PC equivalent on sommer any old machine. It's kinda pricey thanks to our exchange rate :(

My 500 hours of CSGO would cost me almost 7 grand on the 1060...and I wouldn't have a PC to show for it.

Edit: I missed the obvious fact that you would need a PC anyway to access the service. Which makes this worse in a way...just get a graphics card and play as many hours as you like.

This might have use for people who don't game and then have people coming over who are gamers...an occasional entertainment use case. That's about the only use I can see - the cost mounts up too quickly to make it feasible. If it were a lot cheaper, then you could kind of see it as leasing top-end graphics card hardware (provided Nvidia swop in newer hardware each year or two). Still, you lose out on being able to sell the graphics card secondhand so the Geforce Now fee would have to be much lower.
 
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My 500 hours of CSGO would cost me almost 7 grand on the 1060...and I wouldn't have a PC to show for it.

Edit: I missed the obvious fact that you would need a PC anyway to access the service. Which makes this worse in a way...just get a graphics card and play as many hours as you like.

This might have use for people who don't game and then have people coming over who are gamers...an occasional entertainment use case. That's about the only use I can see - the cost mounts up too quickly to make it feasible. If it were a lot cheaper, then you could kind of see it as leasing top-end graphics card hardware (provided Nvidia swop in newer hardware each year or two). Still, you lose out on being able to sell the graphics card secondhand so the Geforce Now fee would have to be much lower.

And those who are on the move a lot and can't take a powerhouse with them.

Besides the price, the latency will either make/break this game.
 
I've read great reviews from guys using it internationally, but I don't think with our pings that its going to be quite as good.
Factor in additionally paying in $ with the exchange rate and it doesn't seem that viable.
 
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First up, food for thought:

[video=youtube;Vh8tZ_qkY1o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh8tZ_qkY1o[/video]

-> So $25 for 10 hours = R356-00 for 10 hours as per current exchange rate. Or R35-60 per hour. /in one thread page the evidence of weakening rand from March to now is depressing... anyway/
-> Even if you currently have a decent GFX card, to upgrade to DDR4 compatible board/cpu/RAM etc... means an upgrade from previous generation may set you back at least R8000-00 >https://www.evetech.co.za/intel-8th-gen-core-i7-upgrade-kits/x/201.aspx
-> To buy everything new from scratch excluding peripherals (Which you'd need anyway) will be around R12000-00 to R18000-00. Just a thumb suck, depending on your specs.

I've found that a PC, even top spec when purchased, starts to degrade in around 2 - 3 years in terms of keeping up with Ultra settings for top tier games. My 970GTX with 4th gen i7 CPU, 1600mhz 8gig RAM and SSD drive barely gets 60FPS on PUBG nowadays on one setting short of Ultra, granted it isn't a well optimized game.

So let's say I spend on an hour per week day gaming. And 3 hours on average over Saturday and 3 hours on average over Sunday. All over the course of an entire year:

-> 53 * 5 * 1 = 265 hours a year over weekdays
-> 53 * 2 * 3 = 318 hours a year over weekends
-> Total Annual Hours = 583
-> R35-60 * 583 = R20754-80 per year

I imagine the above is not hardcore gamer hours but somewhere between casual and hardcore - guy with a job who has a side hobby that is gaming kind of thing.

Assuming a decent gaming rig will keep you happy for 3 years before you start to itch for an upgrade you will spend on average R6000-00 a year worst case. (R18000-00 / 3)
Assuming my maths above is sound (Which is risky :p), the Nvidia service will cost you R20754-80 a year.

Although I've not sold off old kit before and don't see that as an advantage personally (It is usually donated to family), some may further reap the reward of selling off their old GFX, Mobo, RAM.

So all in all unfortunately the Nvidia Now service seems to make no financial sense to a gamer in SA.

Now if you really want to make cloud gaming viable, invent a peer-to-peer sharing service (Kind of like Uber or the way things are going, but obviously online in this case) that is also somehow secure - and collect a small royalty or license fee from it. My gaming rig is sitting at home right now doing nothing and if I rented it out for game streaming online during fixed hours that I could set I could be earning money from it :p And crypto mining is obviously a waste of time. Just a random thought but probably not possible for security and reliability reasons.

Cloud gaming hosting is just too tricky a business model to achieve by the looks of it.
 
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I've read great reviews from guys using it internationally, but I don't think with our pings that its going to be quite as good.
Factor in additionally paying in $ with the exchange rate and it doesn't seem that viable.

With FTTH I'm getting like 2ms on some local servers. So that might be a thing of the past soon when everyone moves off of copper - which I imagine will be the case unless Telkom and all the vendors want to keep maintaining old infrastructure.
 
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With FTTH I'm getting like 2ms on some local servers. So that might be a thing of the past soon when everyone moves off of copper - which I imagine will be the case unless Telkom and all the vendors want to keep maintaining old infrastructure.

Yeah fibre has really helped with ping. Give it another few years and then the ease of use factor might make it worth it.
Personally I'd just rather get my own PC, much cheaper and better quality.
 
With FTTH I'm getting like 2ms on some local servers. So that might be a thing of the past soon when everyone moves off of copper - which I imagine will be the case unless Telkom and all the vendors want to keep maintaining old infrastructure.

Unless you move the servers closer you are going to sit with ~250ms latency, no thanks.
 
The OP piqued my interest, so I recently tried a few of these cloud gaming services. This is a long post, but you can skip to the conclusion if not interested in the details. A few notes, before I give my impressions:
  • I live in the south of The Netherlands, about 100km from Amsterdam. This place is laden with fibre and it seems like everything is nearby.
  • I do not own a gaming computer. Everything is based on my crappy HP Elitebook (work laptop) or my wife's old MacBook Pro (early 2013 model).
  • My internet connection is fantastic. I have a 100 mbps fibre connection and I've never heard of capping or throttling on wired internet here.
  • I bought a HyperX Cloud Revolver S headset to do audio processing locally (it comes with a small DSP). It is truly exceptional.
  • I don't play any multiplayer games, so I can't give any impression about such games.

nVidia Geforce Now
Since this investigation was inspired by the OP, I tried the Geforce Now first. I signed up to the Mac beta and was immediately given access. I do not own many games on Steam, because I haven't played PC games in a very long time (I've been busy with PS4 over the last two years and X-box 360 before that). I tried Skyrim Special Edition, because I own it and I loved Morrowind.

This worked astonishingly well. As in, much better than I expected. I didn't even notice any input lag. Obviously this is hardly important in a game like Skyrim. I don't know exactly where the data centre is located, because they only say Western Europe. The performance is great. I don't know if it is an attribute of the nVidia Grid technology, but the frame rate is high and does not fluctuate by more than 4 FPS. During the Beta this service is free, but the announced price after beta is too expensive in my opinion. My greatest annoyance with this service is its restrictiveness. When you launch it, you see a full screen Steam window from which you can buy and launch games. This means you can't make any changes to the configuration, other than what you can do in Steam.

Parsec + Paperspace - €0.40 per hour and €5 per month for 100GB storage.
Parsec is a company that develops software to stream gaming. Their goal is to minimise latency. They allow you to deploy a Amazon or Paperspace virtual desktop and use it as you would remote desktop. The Amazon option is crazy expensive, but Paperspace launched a new desktop in Amsterdam recently. My latency to Amsterdam is 5ms on speedtest.net. I've played about 20 hours of a heavily modded Skyrim (not special edition, but with ENB running). I can't notice any input lag and the frame rate stays between 30 and 60 FPS. My one annoyance with this service is that they use P4000 Quadro cards for some reason. GTX1080 cards are cheaper and faster. That would be a real winner.

PlayKey - €18 per month for unlimited play between 15:00 and 3:00.
Obviously this subscription is limiting. I played Doom, Hitman and Civilization demos on this service. These were all amazing. Similar to the high and super stable frame rates of Geforce Now, so I am assuming they use similar technology. However, it doesn't allow configuration, similar to Geforce Now. So you can only launch games from Steam, Origin and similar services. For games that don't require modding, I would certainly consider this service. The performance was really amazing and the latency never went over 15ms (this one has a console to show frame rate and latency).

A few other
I tried out the SimPlay trial. This one seems like a budget option at only €10 per month. It is more like remote desktop though, allowing you to mod and do what you want. Performance was not great though, but that might be because the trial uses the lowest tier hardware.
Vortex Gaming does not have trial so I didn't try it.
Snoost and PixelStellar are too expensive, so I won't even consider it.
Shadow is an upcoming service by a French company. Their intention is that you buy a cheap custom computer that is specifically made to handle the video compression better. Obviously the computer is also suitable for office related activities.

Remarks
I'm a bit torn about the pay per hour plan. On the one hand it gives great flexibility. I can play a game as much as I want to, then stop my subscription. On the other hand, it sits in the back of your head that every hour costs real money.
For people who play often and consistently, I think the sweet spot is €20 per month. That comes out to €240 per year and €720 over three years. If you take three years as a reasonable upgrade cycle, then €720 over three years is cheaper than buying a gaming PC. Obviously this implies you must still own some computer and screen.
This seems to be quite data intensive. The PlayKey client reports 20 to 30 mbps. If my calculations are correct, this translates to about 10 GB per hour. If you play 40 hours in a month, that is 400 GB only for playing games. I would be happy if it uses double that and gives even better performance, but obviously this will be a consideration for people with data caps.

Conclusion
I will continue using this in the short term. I will most likely complete Skyrim on the Paperspace machine, as I have it set up now. If I spend 200 hours it will cost me €80 to play Skyrim, in addition to the price I paid for the game. Stated like that, it sounds idiotic. However, personal situation should dictate. My work demand fluctuates quite widely. I will most likely become very busy in March again, at which time my gaming PC would just stand idle for a few months, if I owned one. With cloud gaming, I just suspend my subscription while I'm not using it. I do not have to be concerned with hardware depreciation.

This seems rather promising. If a company can deploy the Grid technology (perhaps even the new Volta architecture) and allow you to use it as remote desktop, for €20 per month, then we have a winner I think.
 
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