General Plasma & LCD discussions

[Dolby]

... but that's what I've always said?

If you go to the start, you'll see both have pros and cons ... and it depends on the user and application. However, reading this forum as a 'new' guy one is bombared with only plasma is the best. Every catagory and every application, plasma seems the answer ... it almost seems pointless to ask because the answer is always the same.

Then we have Sony PS3s taking on everything at ten times the price. If you'd trawled the PS3 section a while ago, you'd notice that this little box takes out R50,000.00 worth of equipment with ease.

Speak of sound - and everything (speakers aside) sound the same. In essense, one could buy a R2000.00 amp, a R2000.00 DVD player and R46,000.00 speakers - and have the same sound as someone that bought the same R46,000.00 speakers but added a R10,000.00 amp and R10,000.00 Blu Ray.

I just take what I read here with a pinch of salt.

* Not targetting anyone specifically and not even this sub section specifically.

 

[Dolby]

We also have those that judge by size rather than quality :

A Sony combo costing R4,000.00 (so probably R2,500.00 floorstanders) represent quality - but I an assure you a R10,000.00 sub/sat will be better. I've heard small bookshelfs that put most floorstanders to shame. I've heard bass come from thin, 7" drivers that 10" subwoofer can't match.

People should stop judging by size and take a listen and watch programs yourself.
Maybe make a list of what is needed and what it will be used for.
Research - but take things with a pinch of salt

 

[Zenbaas]

... but that's what I've always said?

If you go to the start, you'll see both have pros and cons ... and it depends on the user and application. However, reading this forum as a 'new' guy one is bombared with only plasma is the best. Every catagory and every application, plasma seems the answer ... it almost seems pointless to ask because the answer is always the same.

Then we have Sony PS3s taking on everything at ten times the price. If you'd trawled the PS3 section a while ago, you'd notice that this little box takes out R50,000.00 worth of equipment with ease.

Speak of sound - and everything (speakers aside) sound the same. In essense, one could buy a R2000.00 amp, a R2000.00 DVD player and R46,000.00 speakers - and have the same sound as someone that bought the same R46,000.00 speakers but added a R10,000.00 amp and R10,000.00 Blu Ray.

I just take what I read here with a pinch of salt.

* Not targetting anyone specifically and not even this sub section specifically.

Lol taking on everything at once I agree with much of what you are saying. With respect to the amp discussion, I read a very interesting article where a well known guy has his very expensive amp swapped with a much less expensive amp and he couldn't tell the difference. Will see if I can find the article.

 

[Grimspoon]

... but that's what I've always said?

If you go to the start, you'll see both have pros and cons ... and it depends on the user and application. However, reading this forum as a 'new' guy one is bombared with only plasma is the best. Every catagory and every application, plasma seems the answer ... it almost seems pointless to ask because the answer is always the same.

Then we have Sony PS3s taking on everything at ten times the price. If you'd trawled the PS3 section a while ago, you'd notice that this little box takes out R50,000.00 worth of equipment with ease.

Speak of sound - and everything (speakers aside) sound the same. In essense, one could buy a R2000.00 amp, a R2000.00 DVD player and R46,000.00 speakers - and have the same sound as someone that bought the same R46,000.00 speakers but added a R10,000.00 amp and R10,000.00 Blu Ray.

I just take what I read here with a pinch of salt.

* Not targetting anyone specifically and not even this sub section specifically.

I think you are getting a little to excited over nothing.

No one, ok maybe just Postman, is specifically punting Plasma, I for one am not, I am just calling it like it is and giving my own personal opinion which I think is very valid considering I own both a Plasma and LCD.

we all know you hate Plasmas and thats ok, no one is trying to convince you that they are not as bad as you think. I believe you had a bad experience with Plasma correct? I would also hate the technology then, but I wouldn't slander other people who haven't had a bad experience with the same technology.

Personally I think its out of line to tell a formite to find another forum. I also think its out of line to say generally we don't know what we are talking about.

There are an abundant amount of chaps that post in here with a fairly good know how of the 2 technologies.

I also encourage people to have a look at this link, it kind of sums up exactly what has been discussed here, and NO its not in favor of either technology, but once again, as with this thread, it presents the facts.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml

 

[Dolby]

Lol taking on everything at once I agree with much of what you are saying. With respect to the amp discussion, I read a very interesting article where a well known guy has his very expensive amp swapped with a much less expensive amp and he couldn't tell the difference. Will see if I can find the article.

I've also had tons of different equipment, speakers, players, cables etc and swapped, bought and sold a fair amount as well. As I've said, there is a difference - granted sometimes inaudible, often minor and even larger (speakers). But each case there is a difference - and I believe that the sum is greater than it's parts.

I think you are getting a little to excited over nothing.

No one, ok maybe just Postman, is specifically punting Plasma, I for one am not, I am just calling it like it is and giving my own personal opinion which I think is very valid considering I own both a Plasma and LCD.

we all know you hate Plasmas and thats ok, no one is trying to convince you that they are not as bad as you think. I believe you had a bad experience with Plasma correct? I would also hate the technology then, but I wouldn't slander other people who haven't had a bad experience with the same technology.

Personally I think its out of line to tell a formite to find another forum. I also think its out of line to say generally we don't know what we are talking about.

There are an abundant amount of chaps that post in here with a fairly good know how of the 2 technologies.

I also encourage people to have a look at this link, it kind of sums up exactly what has been discussed here, and NO its not in favor of either technology, but once again, as with this thread, it presents the facts.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml

I don't hate him - I just ... disagree with him on pretty much every point

I've had both as well and I don't think I had a terrible experience - as most are still reporting IR even today. The difference was mine could have been slightly more than the average - but it was fairly acceptable. A big thing was that I was probably more anal than most of you - and it didn't my personal requirements. Yes - you could wait 5 minutes and it would vanish or play certain pixel shifting techniques, but I wasn't happy.

I'm not telling him to go look elsewhere - but I feel that lots of the advice is probably wrong or biased as the majority of us aren't as 'in' as a forum made for it specifically. Yes - I've seen a few peoples comments and setups ... and there ARE people on here that know their stuff. Take this forum in conjuction with another forum filled with people like that.

 

[TYR]

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Speak of sound - and everything (speakers aside) sound the same. In essense, one could buy a R2000.00 amp, a R2000.00 DVD player and R46,000.00 speakers - and have the same sound as someone that bought the same R46,000.00 speakers but added a R10,000.00 amp and R10,000.00 Blu Ray.

This has been proven over and over again with double blind tests ... then the audiophiles come and just dismiss those results and claim again that they can hear differences. When given the chance to prove their claims with double blind tests, they either refuse to take part or they fail.

 

[PostmanPot]

Dolby, there is no "correct" answer, maybe for you there is.

As I say there is no correct answer, only facts, of which we have given out. Its up to the consumer to decide on what they are looking for.

No point convincing someone when they think everything's black & white...

 

[PostmanPot]

If you go to the start, you'll see both have pros and cons ... and it depends on the user and application. However, reading this forum as a 'new' guy one is bombared with only plasma is the best. Every catagory and every application, plasma seems the answer ... it almost seems pointless to ask because the answer is always the same

Wrong. LCD is promoted just as much when the OP's needs don't specifically point to plasma.

Perhaps you think they are bombared(?) with plasma because plasma offers bigger size and better picture quality at the lower end of the market? People with shallower pockets than yours are very interested in best value for money.

Lastly, please show me a thread where people recommend plasma for big gamers and PC users? Thanks.

 

[TYR]

we all know you hate Plasmas and thats ok, no one is trying to convince you that they are not as bad as you think. I believe you had a bad experience with Plasma correct? I would also hate the technology then, but I wouldn't slander other people who haven't had a bad experience with the same technology.

Well, no, Dolby does not hate plasmas and he has always maintained that there are some really good plasmas out there. Pros and cons to each technology. What did happen though, is that there has been a couple of posts claiming that all LCD's have inferior picture quality (and yeah, I also thought at some point that it is basically a given that picture quality would be better on a plasma than on an LCD, almost regardless of the models). But I can assure you that any owner of a Samsung Series 6 LCD or equivalent would respond to those posts with "Oh BS!". I now have an LCD with the same PQ as Dolby's and even comparing it to a KURO I can assure you that it that it can take on any plasma with any type of material even SD and sport.

 

[PostmanPot]

We also have those that judge by size rather than quality :

A Sony combo costing R4,000.00 (so probably R2,500.00 floorstanders) represent quality - but I an assure you a R10,000.00 sub/sat will be better. I've heard small bookshelfs that put most floorstanders to shame. I've heard bass come from thin, 7" drivers that 10" subwoofer can't match.

People should stop judging by size and take a listen and watch programs yourself.
Maybe make a list of what is needed and what it will be used for.
Research - but take things with a pinch of salt

Who said either "an entry-level floor-stand speaker/amp kit", or "size of speakers", represents quality?

I mean he was listening to R10,000 for 5 speakers a sub. If - for example - the full range that made him go WOW were 5 Monitor Audio Silver speakers and sub for R20,000 it'd be slightly unfair?

Take a floorstanding R10,000 set to compare.

Heed your own advice!

Compare apples with apples, price for price.

Lol.

 

[PostmanPot]

No one, ok maybe just Postman, is specifically punting Plasma, I for one am not, I am just calling it like it is and giving my own personal opinion which I think is very valid considering I own both a Plasma and LCD.

Is there anything wrong with "punting" plasma to those whose needs suit plasma? Sorry, I don't think that is called punting, that's called making educated decisions, as well as taking value for money into account.

Sure, if I was promoting plasma for hardcore gamers and people who use PCs on their screens, then you could say I punt plasma. Punt implies unnecessarily, if you know what I mean...

Personally I think its out of line to tell a formite to find another forum. I also think its out of line to say generally we don't know what we are talking about.

LOL where was this?

 

[Dolby]

Thanks for the honesty, TYR.

I think the higher up the scale, the smaller the difference. If someone comes with a budget of R8,000.00 - by all means, point out the plasma. If the budget is R20,000.00 I'd recommend at least taking a look at that LCD/LED.

As I said the other thread, I'll need to do blind tests to believe that everything sounds the same - speakers aside. I remember speaking of colouration and everyone agreed it's real. Why couldn't one amplifier colour a 'preferred' way to another?

PS You're in the group that knows what they're talking about

 

[Zenbaas]

Well, no, Dolby does not hate plasmas and he has always maintained that there are some really good plasmas out there. Pros and cons to each technology. What did happen though, is that there has been a couple of posts claiming that all LCD's have inferior picture quality (and yeah, I also thought at some point that it is basically a given that picture quality would be better on a plasma than on an LCD, almost regardless of the models). But I can assure you that any owner of a Samsung Series 6 LCD or equivalent would respond to those posts with "Oh BS!". I now have an LCD with the same PQ as Dolby's and even comparing it to a KURO I can assure you that it that it can take on any plasma with any type of material even SD and sport.

What tv do you have TVR...?

 

[PostmanPot]

What did happen though, is that there has been a couple of posts claiming that all LCD's have inferior picture quality

I disagree. Your statement is very broad and generalised. People do not say all LCDs have inferior picture quality, they say LCDs at the entry level of the market have inferior picture quality compared to plasma at the same price point. Huge difference!

 

[TYR]

What tv do you have TVR...?

T-Y-R

A 50" Pioneer KURO in the mancave and a Samsung LA46C750 as the everyday living room TV that sits on CBeebies most of the day (very nice not to worry "at all" about IR or burn).

 

[PostmanPot]

T-Y-R

A 50" Pioneer KURO in the mancave and a Samsung LA46C750 as the everyday living room TV that sits on CBeebies most of the day (very nice not to worry "at all" about IR or burn).

Lucky kids!

 

[TYR]

I disagree. Your statement is very broad and generalised. People do not say all LCDs have inferior picture quality, they say LCDs at the entry level of the market have inferior picture quality compared to plasma at the same price point. Huge difference!

Hehe, no I didn't imply that you said that. I do however think I might have said something along those lines previously

 

[Zenbaas]

T-Y-R

A 50" Pioneer KURO in the mancave and a Samsung LA46C750 as the everyday living room TV that sits on CBeebies most of the day (very nice not to worry "at all" about IR or burn).

Close enough

 

[PostmanPot]

I think the higher up the scale, the smaller the difference. If someone comes with a budget of R8,000.00 - by all means, point out the plasma. If the budget is R20,000.00 I'd recommend at least taking a look at that LCD/LED.

+1

How you interpreted anything else is beyond me. Perhaps you're constantly looking for it.

 

[PostmanPot]

Hehe, no I didn't imply that you said that. I do however think I might have said something along those lines previously

Well, you wouldn't exactly be wrong would you? Considering the best TVs in the world are also plasma?