General Plasma & LCD discussions

[Dolby]

No. It has to do with separate drivers producing better sound. I refer you to Grim's question asking why do they still produce floorstanders/bookshelves if micro satellites are as good? Anyway, I don't really care since you said yourself that floorstanders/bookshelves are "slightly" better (understatement IMO).

And your Sinotech suggestion is a "joke" because it'll be hopeless at displaying SD TV and sport. And I bet you the STR-500 sounds better than that all-in-one junk.

Anyway, have a good weekend all! Time to get crunk.

No - it's actually got nothing to do with the number and size of drivers

I guess thats where you still need to learn a thing or two about sound - eh?
Maybe Google a little and hang out on a few forums?
Ask questions to learn rather than push incorrect information down peoples throat?

I just feel like going to my garage, getting 10 cheap as drivers of different sizes and shoving them into a huge box ... and make some money off people like you. 'oh oh oh ! a 12" driver, a meter high box with 5 drivers! It MUST be good!'

I answered Grims question - there's a slight difference. There's probably pro's as well?There's not a night and day difference at all ... if you think everything in the world sounds the same, I'm betting you won't distinguish anything anyway.

Well - I took your challenge and in my mind, succeeded to give you much more than what you have at the same price ... *shrug*

Have a good one ... and please, read up by Monday

 

[Dolby]

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/800_Series_Diamond/805-Diamond.html

I'm pretty sure these are crappy speakers ... they're not even 50cm high, weigh only 12KG and have 2 drivers. It upsets me knowing that they charge R35,000.00 for this. I'm going to email them and tell them someone on the internet told me his STR500 is better ... because it's bigger :/

Fact is, you can get crap terrible towers - very good sub/sat and excellent bookshelves.

Try not to make dumb sweeping statements in future

 

[PostmanPot]

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/800_Series_Diamond/805-Diamond.html

I'm pretty sure these are crappy speakers ... they're not even 50cm high, weigh only 12KG and have 2 drivers. It upsets me knowing that they charge R35,000.00 for this. I'm going to email them and tell them someone on the internet told me his STR500 is better ... because it's bigger :/

Fact is, you can get crap terrible towers - very good sub/sat and excellent bookshelves.

Try not to make dumb sweeping statements in future

Two drivers? Much better than single drivers. Not a single soul claimed that the Diamonds are crap speakers, especially on the basis that they are small? Why are you continuously shifting the goalposts like this?

More importantly though, why are you linking these speakers? We are supposed to be comparing the STR-500 and its floorstanders with three separate drivers to the Yamaha satellites you/someone originally linked to that have one driver, at the same price point of ±R5,000.

I never, ever said that there are crap satellite speakers. I'm saying that the concept of having separate drivers for each range is better, and you yourself even admitted this?

I guess it's Dolby vs Dolby again as per usual. Try not to make dumb, sweeping generalisations & assumptions in the future. Unless you are happy with fighting against the incorrect concepts that you yourself create? In which case please, be my guest and go ahead, we appreciate the lols.

 

[PostmanPot]

No - it's actually got nothing to do with the number and size of drivers

Then why aren't the highest end speakers single-driver satellite/sub-based?

I guess thats where you still need to learn a thing or two about sound - eh?
Maybe Google a little and hang out on a few forums?

What is it that I need to learn?

Ask questions to learn rather than push incorrect information down peoples throat?

Yet you yourself said that separate drivers are better? Why am I not allowed to push this if you yourself said separate drivers are better?

I just feel like going to my garage, getting 10 cheap as drivers of different sizes and shoving them into a huge box ... and make some money off people like you. 'oh oh oh ! a 12" driver, a meter high box with 5 drivers! It MUST be good!'

Yet you said yourself that separate drivers are better? Why would a five-driver, floorstanding (to accommodate the drivers) speaker system, not have the potential to be better than a single-driver satellite system?

I answered Grims question - there's a slight difference. There's probably pro's as well?There's not a night and day difference at all ... if you think everything in the world sounds the same, I'm betting you won't distinguish anything anyway.

A "slight difference" is of course an understatement. Either way, I am satisfied that you admit separate drivers are better than single-driver satellites at the same price point.

Well - I took your challenge and in my mind, succeeded to give you much more than what you have at the same price ... *shrug*

No you didn't. You gave me a Sinotech LCD/LED-LCD that would be hopeless at SD TV/sport (my needs, which I asked for?) and a Blu-ray all-in-one system comprised of low quality satellites/and a sub. And you claim this is better than floorstanding speakers of higher value that have separate drivers, which you admit are better than single-driver satellites?

Have a good one ... and please, read up by Monday

I'm back.

 

[Dolby]

But you have THREE drivers - you must be worlds ahead of the B&W with only TWO?

Not all are satellite speakers are only a single driver - in fact most are are 2 ways ... With the sub being the 3rd.

I notice in your post you start with comparable speakers and number of drivers ... Then later to price ... And back to number of drivers.

A simple question ; Are those Diamonds better than the STR500 speakers - and why?

And WHAT makes a good speaker in your opinion?

 

[PostmanPot]

But you have THREE drivers - but be worlds ahead of the B&W with only TWO?

Where did I say that? I am making a general observation, which has nothing to do with the STR-500. Yet you think I am talking directly about the STR-500 and comparing them with "oranges" in the Diamonds? How on earth did you interpret things like that? It's obviously because of your shifting the goalposts continuously.

Not all are satellite speakers are only a single driver - in fact most are are 2 ways ... With the sub being the 3rd.

But the Yamahas are - the ones involved in the direct comparison with the STR-500 at ±R5,000 each, remember? Obviously most are two ways, and cheap PC speakers/cheap satellite speakers trying to do this accurately fail at the mid range.

I notice in your post you start with comparable speakers and drivers ... Then later to price ... And back to number of drivers.

Because you keep shifting the goalposts! You brought in R35,000 speakers? For what reason? What point are you trying to make and to what that I said is it a response to?

There are two separate points, separated by paragraphs.

Point 1 is speaking about the concept of multi-driver speakers compared to single-driver systems that require more ranges to be produced by one speaker.

Point 2 is speaking about the direct comparison between the multi driver STR-500s and single driver Yamahas.

A simple question ; Are those Diamonds better than the STR500 speakers - and why?

I'm not even going to answer that. It has absolutely no relevance to the discussion. Especially because their so expensive! This is Dolby vs Dolby right here, where you have somehow fabricated in your mind things that I say/mean, and are now debating against these made up concepts that I've never, ever meant or talked about. Dolby vs Dolby. In debates, you are not allowed to shift goalposts like this and bring up irrelevant factors which I've never, ever agreed/disagreed/shared my opinion on, to try and prove a point which I am not interested in. Remember, it's price for price. Please refrain from widening the goalposts and stay on topic and read my posts twice before responding with nonsense - a complete and utter time waster.

 

[Dolby]

I dunno wtf Yamaha's come into this :/ I spoke of Yamaha amps and KEF speakers.

I'm going to ignore most of the rubbish above and jump to a few points :

The reason I brought R35,000 speakers into the equation is to show you that number of drivers mean very little. I'm went extreme purposely.


Regarding your points :

Point 1 : How many drivers do you have? Based on more drivers being better - is yours better than the Diamonds?

Point 2 : Dunno anything about Yamaha speakers

You've implied many, many times that large speakers with many drivers are better than small - correct?

 

[PostmanPot]

I dunno wtf Yamaha's come into this :/ I spoke of Yamaha amps and KEF speakers.

You mean you don't remember the Yamaha 5.1 entry level system comprising of single driver satellites that you commented on?

I'm going to ignore most of the rubbish above and jump to a few points :

The reason I brought R35,000 speakers into the equation is to show you that number of drivers mean very little. I'm went extreme purposely.

"Very little", but enough to make multi driver systems "slightly" better, according to you.

What are the best speakers in the world? How many drivers do they have?

Regarding your points :

Point 1 : How many drivers do you have? Based on more drivers being better - is yours better than the Diamonds?

I am not comparing certain speaker sets directly. I am comparing the concept of multi driver speakers to single driver speakers.

Point 2 : Dunno anything about Yamaha speakers

Fine. Then compare the STR-500 with these? http://www.makro.co.za/p/33285/samsung-5-1-blu-ray-home-theatre-system-kit/

You've implied many, many times that large speakers with many drivers are better than small - correct?

No, I've implied the concept that multi driver speakers are better than single driver speakers.

Size bears no relevance because multi driver speakers are naturally going to be bigger to accommodate the different drivers. Please get over this size thing.

 

[Dolby]

I have no idea what the best speakers in the world are .... probably Sony drivers in 2m high box filled with 10 drivers aside?

Look - all I'm saying is you get good, bad and excellent speakers of all varieties (sat, book and floorstanding). It's not a given that floorstanders are superior to booksheves, which are superior to satellite. Maybe advise the person to listen?

When it come to audio, size isn't everything!

Just accept that - and we're good?

 

[Zenbaas]

I have no idea what the best speakers in the world are .... probably Sony drivers in 2m high box filled with 10 drivers aside?

Look - all I'm saying is you get good, bad and excellent speakers of all varieties (sat, book and floorstanding). It's not a given that floorstanders are superior to booksheves, which are superior to satellite. Maybe advise the person to listen?

When it come to audio, size isn't always everything!

Just accept that - and we're good?

Fixed

Now don't both of you have somewhere to be on a saturday morning Off you go....!

 

[PostmanPot]

I have no idea what the best speakers in the world are .... probably Sony drivers in 2m high box filled with 10 drivers aside?

Why drop the level of the discussion? The time is not now, Dolby.

What are the most expensive/best speakers you know of? Please elaborate on them in terms of the driver(s)? Multi (2 or more) or single (1)?

Look - all I'm saying is you get good, bad and excellent speakers of all varieties (sat, book and floorstanding). It's not a given that floorstanders are superior to booksheves, which are superior to satellite. Maybe advise the person to listen?

Certainly, but when you look at the concept of multi driver speakers compared to single driver speakers, it is a given that multi driver speakers will/have the potential to sound better. It's very logical, don't you think?

When it come to audio, size isn't everything!

And no one ever said size was everything.

Just accept that - and we're good?

You accept that the concept of multi driver speakers are better than single driver satellites and we're good. That's the only ever thing I was debating.

 

[PostmanPot]

Fixed

Now don't both of you have somewhere to be on a saturday morning Off you go....!

Yeah, in a game.

 

[Dolby]

Most satellites are TWO way speakers and NOT a single driver.

Does it change the argument now - knowing we're comparing a 2 way with a 3 way? So is a 3 way always better than a 2 way?

By the way, the Z2300 are single driver speaker and regarded as an extremly good speaker by any test ... And even met THX certification.

 

[Dolby]

I'm off to demo of a set of Sonys, zen

Can't wait to hear the full range sound!

 

[PostmanPot]

Most satellites are TWO way speakers and NOT a single driver.

Obviously. How else would they produce treble and "mid"?

What I'm saying is the mid lacks compared to a separate mid driver.

Does it change the argument now - knowing we're comparing a 2 way with a 3 way? So is a 3 way always better than a 2 way?

We've been comparing that since the beginning. Don't act like you've struck gold, my argument and the concept remains the same.

By the way, the Z2300 are single driver speaker and regarded as an extremly good speaker by any test ... And even met THX certification.

Why bring this up again after we've already discussed it? I know it's a single driver.

 

[PostmanPot]

I'm off to demo of a set of Sonys, zen

Can't wait to hear the full range sound!

You've now dropped the level of discussion even further.

Your jokes are still stemming from your misunderstanding of my position.

 

[Juggy]

I have no idea what the best speakers in the world are .... probably Sony drivers in 2m high box filled with 10 drivers aside?

Look - all I'm saying is you get good, bad and excellent speakers of all varieties (sat, book and floorstanding). It's not a given that floorstanders are superior to booksheves, which are superior to satellite. Maybe advise the person to listen?

When it come to audio, size isn't everything!

Just accept that - and we're good?

Ja, and I'm sure U2 will be using that Sub and Satellite set at their next concert in Cape Town this year

 

[Dolby]

Ja, and I'm sure U2 will be using that Sub and Satellite set at their next concert in Cape Town this year

You know (or should know) that there are differences in home speakers have raw power of concert speakers

 

[Juggy]

You know (or should know) that there are differences in home speakers have raw power of concert speakers

I do know, I helped build a mates 20kw club setup, it's all about how much area you want to fill and how loud.

Just making the point that each has it's own place in the world depending on what you want. Personally I prefer medium sized, not floor or the single driver bookshelf types hence the reason I use dual driver and tweeter speakers on medium height stands with a small 8" woofer and small centre. So far this has proven to be good enough for me and many of my friends that have larger setups have commented on how much better mine sounds. They didn't build their systems from parts but bought entire setups similar to the STR500. I built mine to a budget and to a preferred sound.

 

[Dolby]

Exactly.

Out of interest - do you feel those that those club speakers are as good as a home setup when it comes to sound stage, detail, clarity and warmth?

PP - This is what I'm trying to show you. To me ears, these are probably the nicest sounding speakers I've heard http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=21191&nocache=1 .... do you feel the number of drivers has much to do with it - or something else?

Should these not be better http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/recent/monitor70/ ... ?