Genetically Engineered Crops Are Safe, Analysis Finds

LazyLion said:
You think that Monsanto is the only big industry in this equation?
Go and read up on the "Organic Food Industry" and then let's talk numbers...
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Ok, let's talk numbers. What's the largest organic food production company? How does their size compare with Monsanto?

Can you show any evidence where any organic food company has appeared to influence the outcome of studies initiated by countries or official international bodies?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/12/b...n-maine-over-label-s-remarks-on-hormones.html
I bet you won't find anything that comes anywhere close to the douchebaggery Monsanto is guilty of.

Let's deal with the facts instead of FUD.
 
Xarog said:
That speaks about cancer risks. You actually read my posts and realised they don't speak about cancer risks, right? "You guys"? You think I actually follow an organised religion? Lol.
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The point remains, your post has no bearing on the facts whatsoever. The consensus in the scientific community is that GMO's are safe, and so is Glyphosate.

And yeah, it's an organised religion. You guys have a belief system and completely ignore science.
 
Xarog said:
Ok, let's talk numbers. What's the largest organic food production company? How does their size compare with Monsanto?

Can you show any evidence where any organic food company has appeared to influence the outcome of studies initiated by countries or official international bodies?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/12/b...n-maine-over-label-s-remarks-on-hormones.html
I bet you won't find anything that comes anywhere close to the douchebaggery Monsanto is guilty of.

Let's deal with the facts instead of FUD.
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US organic industry dominated by mega corporations....
https://www.geneticliteracyproject....anic-industry-dominated-by-mega-corporations/
US organic industry using litigation to bully Monsanto...
http://gmopundit.blogspot.co.za/2012/02/big-lie-bites-dust-organic-industry.html
Organic crops use carcinogenic pesticides...
http://ascienceenthusiast.com/organic-crops-use-carcinogenic-pesticides/

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Dastrix said:
The point remains, your post has no bearing on the facts whatsoever. The consensus in the scientific community is that GMO's are safe, and so is Glyphosate.

And yeah, it's an organised religion. You guys have a belief system and completely ignore science.
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And the science promoting the safety only focuses on the "active" ingredients, yet studies are showing that the unknown "inert" ingredients are another story altogether.

Other ingredients are not named on product labels for EPA-registered pesticides. That is because their identity is considered "confidential business information." Until 1997, other ingredients were always called "inert" ingredients, in contrast to "active ingredients." Both terms are found on product labels today.

While many of the chemicals that are used as other ingredients are not known to pose health or environmental risks, some of them can be toxic. In some cases, the other ingredients can pose greater risks than the active ingredient itself.
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http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/inert.html

Background

By statute or regulation in the United States and elsewhere, pesticide ingredients are divided into two categories: active and inert (sometimes referred to as other ingredients, adjuvants, or coformulants). Despite their name, inert ingredients may be biologically or chemically active and are labeled inert only because of their function in the formulated product. Most of the tests required to register a pesticide are performed with the active ingredient alone, not the full pesticide formulation. Inert ingredients are generally not identified on product labels and are often claimed to be confidential business information.

Objectives

In this commentary, we describe the shortcomings of the current procedures for assessing the hazards of pesticide formulations and demonstrate that inert ingredients can increase the toxicity of and potential exposure to pesticide formulations.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1764160/

Research Article
Major Pesticides Are More Toxic to Human Cells Than Their Declared Active Principles

Despite its relatively benign reputation, Roundup was among the most toxic herbicides and insecticides tested. Most importantly, 8 formulations out of 9 were up to one thousand times more toxic than their active principles. Our results challenge the relevance of the acceptable daily intake for pesticides because this norm is calculated from the toxicity of the active principle alone. Chronic tests on pesticides may not reflect relevant environmental exposures if only one ingredient of these mixtures is tested alone.
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http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/179691/

Pesticide Industry Stands Firm Amid Pressure To Reveal Identity Of Inert Ingredients
Companies guard secret formulas despite consumer requests
http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i2/Pesticide-Industry-Stands-Firm-Amid.html

If there are no risks, then there should be no reason not to reveal all, hiding behind "trade secrets" doesnt cut it.
 
Nanfeishen said:
And the science promoting the safety only focuses on the "active" ingredients, yet studies are showing that the unknown "inert" ingredients are another story altogether.
If there are no risks, then there should be no reason not to reveal all, hiding behind "trade secrets" doesnt cut it.
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The topic is GMO's and Glyphosate, which have been shown to be safe.
I have no beef if scientific consensus shows harm from other ingredients but that is a different topic altogether.
 
And in the USA they use 300 million tons of roundup yearly because the plants have no more defences against the pests that attack them.
But thats nothing nê.
 
Dastrix said:
The point remains, your post has no bearing on the facts whatsoever. The consensus in the scientific community is that GMO's are safe, and so is Glyphosate.
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Nonsense. There is no such consensus, you are lying. And more to the point, the study you're trying to invoke only evaluated whether or not glyphosate is carcinogenic. To say that because there is no cancer risk that thus there is no risk at all is patently disingenuous. It's like a defendant in a trial claiming he didn't kill the victim because he never fired his gun and there were no bullet holes in the deceased while conveniently omitting the fact that he laced the deceased's coffee with strychnine.

And yeah, it's an organised religion. You guys have a belief system and completely ignore science.
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What organised religion? Be scientific and make an explicit testable claim, please.
 
LazyLion said:
US organic industry dominated by mega corporations....
https://www.geneticliteracyproject....anic-industry-dominated-by-mega-corporations/
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Organic farming is a concept, not an institution created by any government. The USDA is not an authority as to what constitutes organic farming.

US organic industry using litigation to bully Monsanto...
http://gmopundit.blogspot.co.za/2012/02/big-lie-bites-dust-organic-industry.html
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What the court case is actually about, as per the summary in the original court documents:

Plaintiffs bring this lawsuit against defendants Monsanto
Company and Monsanto Technology LLC (together “defendants” or
“Monsanto”), seeking declaratory judgments that plaintiffs are
not infringing various of defendants’ patents, that those
patents are invalid and unenforceable, and that, regardless,
defendants would be entitled to no remedies against plaintiffs.
Presently before us is defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of
subject matter jurisdiction.
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So in other words, the farmers in question were seeking to stop Monsanto for suing people frivilously. I fail to see what's so horrible about that.

Organic crops use carcinogenic pesticides...
http://ascienceenthusiast.com/organic-crops-use-carcinogenic-pesticides/
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The USDA is a government body making regulations. If the USDA is dumb enough to allow carcinogenic pesticides as part of their protocols and call that "organic", that is the USDA's problem, and not a problem with actual organic farming practices.
 
So in other words, the farmers in question were seeking to stop Monsanto for suing people frivilously. I fail to see what's so horrible about that.
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That is a well known business practice by Monsanto, suing other farmers for copyright infringements and shutting down the competition. Nobody likes a monopolistic bully. You'll like them even less when the wind happens to blow some of their seeds and crop fragments onto your farm. Say good bye to your lively hood.

Edit: This business practice by Monsanto was explained to me way back in 1997 btw.
 
Beerisgood said:
That is a well known business practice by Monsanto, suing other farmers for copyright infringements and shutting down the competition. Nobody likes a monopolistic bully. You'll like them even less when the wind happens to blow some of their seeds and crop fragments onto your farm. Say good bye to your lively hood.

Edit: This business practice by Monsanto was explained to me way back in 1997 btw.
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Ya, but if you complain about this it's because you're some kind of anti-GMO fundamentalist who is anti-science and believes the world was created 6 000 years ago. :whistle:
 
Xarog said:
Ya, but if you complain about this it's because you're some kind of anti-GMO fundamentalist who is anti-science and believes the world was created 6 000 years ago. :whistle:
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One day when corporations like this span the globe and you stand against them, they will arrest and charge you for Sedition and terror hate speech. The masses with blind faith in corporations like Monsanto will be picketing outside of your door like an angry witch hunt.

Think I'm over exaggerating? You can see worldwide religious belief in these corporations already.
 
Monsanto being a monopolistic ass and gmo foods being safe to eat are two separate topics. Lets try and sick to the topic.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Monsanto being a monopolistic ass and gmo foods being safe to eat are two separate topics. Lets try and sick to the topic.
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Rather hard to do that when a study about glyphosate is conflated with the safety of GMO crops in general as part of the topic title.
 
LazyLion said:
The Organic food industry is worth 72 Billion Dollars a year worldwide.
Don't come and tell me that Monsanto are trying to buy the UN and scientists to do their bidding when the Organic industry has just as much financial interest.
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but there are no multinational organic food producers around that could even remotely afford that kind of lobby-ism that Monsanto, BASF, Syngenta etc. can afford.
 
take two islands, both with healthy populations, feed one only GM and the other only organic.

I wonder what will happen.


oh yeah, I just thought of this by remembering a documentary of an island that had all their girls starting developing large breasts at an early age after they started farming/eating/exporting GM chicken.

the stuff has an affect. surely.
 
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access said:
take two islands, both with healthy populations, feed one only GM and the other only organic.

I wonder what will happen.


oh yeah, I just thought of this by remembering a documentary of an island that had all their girls starting developing large breasts at an early age after they started farming/eating/exporting GM chicken.

the stuff has an affect. surely.
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How does exporting chicken grow larger breasts? I'm asking for a friend honest...
 
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