Going Ghetto

shaddowdragon

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Winter over, times still tight, quest for best cooling continues. Been looking at ideas from many places and its complicated. You see one case with a fan in a certain place and when you try it, your temps go up; what! Well I am not stopping, slot fans, custom vents, strategic placement.

Showing off my almost ghetto so please show me some of your ideas or describe your plans.
 
Bought Cyclone Blower for my gaming rig and for some reason, it was always one degree over a 5CFM blower. However, I finally found a home for it where it seems to make a difference. Media centre pc, HD temps issue solved

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Latest Work

First CUT
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Test with only power on
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Shot With Side Cover back on
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Difference
OS HDD: down from 42 to 37
MB: Down from 37 to 33
HDD 1&2: No Change
GPU: Up from 69 to 71
CPU: Probably a degree down.

Was it worth the fun/risk, you tell me.
 
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I have a solution that i "invented" some years ago with my old notoriously overheating AMD system that might work for you...

Lemme know if youre interested in REALLY CUTTING UP your box and losing the perspex window.
 
If you want me to draw up some rough schematics, lemme know.

Basis:

Take one unmodified, plain steel/aluminium case.

Cut out a round hole in the opening sideplate (the perspex side in your case).
This hole needs to be EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR CPU HEATSINK.

Using the best aluminium you can find, build a cylinder with radial diameter same as the hole you made. The length on the sylinder needs to be the distance FROM THE HOLE TO YOUR HEATSINK/FAN's TOPMOST POINT... minus a few millimeters.

You will need 2x Rubber sleeving (one for top at hole, one for bottom at heatsink/fan).
Make sure its rigid rubber, but soft enough to not crack under heat.

Use the rubber sleeves to attach the cylinder to the heatsink and slide the lid on. Use the second rubber sleeve to attach to lid.

This alone is HUGE... WHY?

Your cpu fan sucks air in, and blows it over the heatsink. The heatsink dissipates the heat off your cpu and the mocing air dissipates that heat from the heatsink. This hot air however, stays (to a certain degree) inside the case.
The fan just keeps recycling a certain percentage of this heat over and over.

The "pipe" allows for the cpu to ALWAYS receive fresh, colder air from outside the case. The hot air that now comes off the heatsink, doesnt get sucked in to lessen the cooling effect at all.



Second step.
The heat canal.

This is only for the real hardcore aircooling fans.

After top setup is complete and youre happy with it...

A typical heatsink has 2 open sides. (excluding the round designs.)
If a round design is used, this wont work for you.

Close off one side of the heatsink, with a fan, equal in size to the open side. Carefull though... The heat can melt the fan. Might want to use a thick aluminium "washer" to attach the fan to instead of directly to the heatsink.

Now the heatsink only has 1 open side.

This time, using thick (yet SLIGHTLY flexible) industrial rubber (the kind that handles heat well)... make an exit vent from the heatsink to the backside of your case.

Cut open the backside of your case with a hole same size as the rubber vent tube.

...Assemble.

What you now have is your CPU gets clean colder air all the time; Whilst the hot air coming from your CPU doesnt affect in any way the temperature of the other internal components. Your screen card will also run better, same for hard drives.

This works AWESOME... but of course, theres a downside.

* If done haphazardly, looks really ugly.
* To do properly and look good... expert tools are needed and can be expensive.
* Careful if your room is not well ventilated. (LOL... I once raised my room's temperature to over 40 degrees Celcius by making this mistake... left computer running overnight)


Any comments or questions... shoot ahead.
 
How long does the PC channel take. I was on two hours on just creating a mesh; then discovering the number of holes are not enough.

My next plan was to take the Zalman 9300AT to the case with the Cyclone blower and replace the gaming case fan with a 9900NT fan only this time blowing to the back of the case. Could I modify your suggestion and add fan and pipe bending to the back of the 9900Nt. The alternative is if you could show some of your projects and I can adapt to what I have.

PS: The metal cutting stuff is an arm and a leg. Last mod done with drill and vacuum cleaner to clear. What are you using?
 
You can really adapt a lot of, what is essentially, the basic design.

I must warn though, that adding fans to the outsides of the tubes, especially the incoming air tube, would cause a direct accelerating effect on the cpu fan. As much as this sounds like a super cool idea (being that you would be approaching a jet engine-type design), it would put excessive stress on the cpu fan and it would burn out VERY fast.
Above and beyond this, one could go as far as to replace the cpu fan with a high endurance fan, but noise from this might be excessive.
Furthering that train of thought would inevitably (especially in amateur designs) cause eddy's (please note that an eddy is strictly only applicable to fluid dynamics, but has recently seen similar effects in air dynamics).

Just for now, an Eddy is a dead spot.

These Eddy's will in the end, not only restrict airflow along the unaffected areas around it, but also allow for heatpools to start building inside these dead spots, and effectively cause massive problems.
Think of it as a small-scale tsunami effect, only with air instead of water.

What I'm saying is: Yes, definitely modify the design as it fits you and your application, but PLEASE DONT PUT TWO FANS BLOWING ALONG THE SAME PIPE, REGARDLESS OF DIRECTION.


EDIT: oh yeah... tools...

I had the good fortune of having the use of some of the tools ad my dad's work. They had an engineering department that allowed me to borrow from time to time some of the lesser tools.

A small figure saw with a metal blade and some guide-constructs can be gotten for cheap-ish at hardware stores. No saying cheap just outright though, but good tools to have in the long run if this is a serious hobby to you.

PS: You can also start selling some of these cases you make at decent prices to some pc shops. Stay away from chains like Incredible Connection etc... they wont even bother to see you.
 
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You have me studying physics now. Anyway, I have seen this eddy effect when I added a rear fan on the box with the 20cm side fan. Pushes temps up. Another strange phenomina is if I open the slot above the graphics card, the GPU temps goes up 5degrees, affects nothing else though. The moment I close it off temps drop again. mmm :confused:

Anyway, will see if there is a market for these cases, bidorbuy has been a friend for a long time.
 
Latest Work

First CUT
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Test with only power on
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Shot With Side Cover back on
picture.php


Difference
OS HDD: down from 42 to 37
MB: Down from 37 to 33
HDD 1&2: No Change
GPU: Up from 69 to 71
CPU: Probably a degree down.

Was it worth the fun/risk, you tell me.

I think you need a couple more holes to allow for proper airflow out the top.
 
I think you need a couple more holes to allow for proper airflow out the top.

Not to put too fine a point on it... but a well-placed hole is 10x the worth of a million badly placed ones.

lol, yes i know how it sounds.
 
Max Temps

Ran Prime for a while last night and the peek temp of the CPU is now very high at 50degrees. GPU goes up to 73. The only positive effect is on the idle temperatures. This does not make sense to me.

The OS harddrive seems to be having the best time but still hits the old 42 degree temperature underload. The only diffence this time is it does not stay there it will drop back into the 30 degree range when all the fans slow down again. I suppose its ok as 42 was the previous idle temparature.

Going to remove the fan and see if just having the vents there will make a difference. If I have a load temperature benefit, will add more holes and a an elevated cover so dust does not go through there. All the filters seem to disrupt cooling no matter the efficiency of the fan.
 
Top Fan Gone

Ok, Fan is off and temps down further on HDD (OS) by 5 degrees, GPU holding at 68, CPU still hitting 52. Prime 95 running 10min so far and a relatively hot day.

It seems the vent helps but not with the fan added. This has to be good enough for now. Will keep Prime running for another hour and see how it goes.

Will be working on the Media Centre box over the weekend and will post picks and temps. The os HD was hitting 52 degrees and is consistently hotter than the CPU. Mod with Cylcone blower in the CD drive bay gave me -10 degrees to 42 but that is still hotter than CPU on idle.

Have one Idea left involving a blower so will show that once I get one.
 
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