Google Account and Windows Phone Setup

This will be a sad day when this happens. I have been with gmail for many years on the web and then with my 1st android HTC dream and then using it with my Windows Phone HTC Mozart for mail/calendar/contacts sync. With the big corporates throwing their toys out of their cots we the customers will be pulling the short end of the string.

Apple --> Gooogle Maps (Iphone)
Google --> Active Sync (WP8)
Microsoft --> What next
 
kamnandi said:
This will be a sad day when this happens. I have been with gmail for many years on the web and then with my 1st android HTC dream and then using it with my Windows Phone HTC Mozart for mail/calendar/contacts sync. With the big corporates throwing their toys out of their cots we the customers will be pulling the short end of the string.

Apple --> Gooogle Maps (Iphone)
Google --> Active Sync (WP8)
Microsoft --> What next
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MS seems to be doing a lot right recently. They are doing the opposite of the other guys. Providing Office on Android and iOS, and even allowing the default search engine on WP8 to be changed to Google.
 
roguemat said:
MS seems to be doing a lot right recently. They are doing the opposite of the other guys. Providing Office on Android and iOS, and even allowing the default search engine on WP8 to be changed to Google.
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Everyone does that when they at the bottom. That is not where I'll judge them, its when they on top and locking everyone out where my problem lies. Looking at Microsoft's history(FAT/JAVA/.DOC) I would not even trust them again, well not soon anyway.

Don't take me wrong, I am not saying they have something evil planned or that anything they make is ****. I am just saying I am a tad weary on what could happen if they sit with 70%+ market share.
 
Sometime next year I'd like to get a Lumia 620 as I think they're fantastic looking with good specs.

As a result, have been doing a lot of reading the last few days since finding out about this move after the 30th Jan. 2013 by Google. Have also setup an account at Outlook.com, and plan to move my mail, contacts & calendar across to it over the course of the next few weeks.

My only question is, how will receiving & sending g-mail email from a WP8 phone via Outlook.com be handled after the 30th Jan. ?
Will you be able to receive & send it as if it's your existing g-mail address ?
I'm aware of using alias addresses, but apparently (according to notes I saw on MS forum help page somewhere) you can't use them to send mail from.

The only solution I've seen is to log into your g-mail via the Chrome app. from MS, but it's not the best experience right now, so I've read.

Will any of this be problematic from Feb. next year ?
 
Ivanr said:
Take look at this interesting bit of news.
http://m.wpcentral.com/google-drops-exchange-activesync-what-s-it-mean-windows-phone
Perhaps time to move to Ms Outlook.com in 2013 if you have not done so yet. Here is your opportunity to connect to the superior OS Windows Phone and leave the crap Android, Symbian and Apple in your trash bin.
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Superior OS? Give me a break...

But I am surprised by Google. First delaying the development of their native apps for WP8, now this...
 
This seems like a bad idea for everyone.

Unless iOS uses it different somehow but the only way to get proper Mail/Calendar/Contact sync in iOS with a Gmail account is to set it up for Exchange (Activesync).
 
SauRoNZA said:
This seems like a bad idea for everyone.

Unless iOS uses it different somehow but the only way to get proper Mail/Calendar/Contact sync in iOS with a Gmail account is to set it up for Exchange (Activesync).
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Well to be honest I understand what and why they doing it. They opted for an open protocol instead of using propriety protocols. Reason not stated but I am sure if you start digging money would be the prime reason behind the move. Microsoft charging to much?

Google Sync was designed to allow access to Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts via the Microsoft Exchange Google Sync was designed to allow access to Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts via the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync® protocol. With the recent launch of CardDAV, Google now offers similar access via IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols. Starting January 30, 2013, consumers won't be able to set up new devices using Google Sync; however, existing Google Sync connections will continue to function. Google Sync will continue to be fully supported for Google Apps for Business, Government and Education. Users of those products are unaffected by this announcement.
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Source: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/winter-cleaning.html

As for your question:
Mail would be normal IMAP and CardDAV See http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2753077 for more info.

As For Windows Phone:
And this is where my problems lie with Microsoft. They normally avoid Open standards like a plague sent forth from some evil realm.
 
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I O U said:
Sometime next year I'd like to get a Lumia 620 as I think they're fantastic looking with good specs.

As a result, have been doing a lot of reading the last few days since finding out about this move after the 30th Jan. 2013 by Google. Have also setup an account at Outlook.com, and plan to move my mail, contacts & calendar across to it over the course of the next few weeks.

My only question is, how will receiving & sending g-mail email from a WP8 phone via Outlook.com be handled after the 30th Jan. ?
Will you be able to receive & send it as if it's your existing g-mail address ?
I'm aware of using alias addresses, but apparently (according to notes I saw on MS forum help page somewhere) you can't use them to send mail from.

The only solution I've seen is to log into your g-mail via the Chrome app. from MS, but it's not the best experience right now, so I've read.

Will any of this be problematic from Feb. next year ?
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I moved all of my stuff over from Gmail to Outlook.com the other night and the process is quite seamless. All and all took me about 20mins. My reasons are: I've got the Lumia 920 and would like it to continue working as well as it is. The simple fact is that there is a reason everyone (including Google) was using EAS as opposed to IMAP IDLE, it just works much better. Also the contact/people management in Outlook.com is muuuuuuch better than Gmail.

So basically how it works is you go into your Outlook.com settings, and then add your Gmail account as a linked account. It then takes a couple of hours to pull of your mail from Gmail to Outlook.com after which you'll start receiving your Gmail in your Outlook Inbox as you would in Gmail itself. You can also setup your Gmail to be your primary account which means emails will by default be sent through your Gmail account. Then you just set this up on your phone and voila, everything is the way it should be.

So it boils down to: I still use my Gmail address, but get and send everything from Outlook.com.
 
Frikkenator said:
I moved all of my stuff over from Gmail to Outlook.com the other night and the process is quite seamless. All and all took me about 20mins. My reasons are: I've got the Lumia 920 and would like it to continue working as well as it is. The simple fact is that there is a reason everyone (including Google) was using EAS as opposed to IMAP IDLE, it just works much better. Also the contact/people management in Outlook.com is muuuuuuch better than Gmail.

So basically how it works is you go into your Outlook.com settings, and then add your Gmail account as a linked account. It then takes a couple of hours to pull of your mail from Gmail to Outlook.com after which you'll start receiving your Gmail in your Outlook Inbox as you would in Gmail itself. You can also setup your Gmail to be your primary account which means emails will by default be sent through your Gmail account. Then you just set this up on your phone and voila, everything is the way it should be.

So it boils down to: I still use my Gmail address, but get and send everything from Outlook.com.
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I guess the FUD is working then? Cause wpcentral + OP failed to mention the most important part of the announcement:

Google Sync was designed to allow access to Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts via the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync® protocol. With the recent launch of CardDAV, Google now offers similar access via IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols. Starting January 30, 2013, consumers won't be able to set up new devices using Google Sync; however, existing Google Sync connections will continue to function. Google Sync will continue to be fully supported for Google Apps for Business, Government and Education. Users of those products are unaffected by this announcement.
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http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/winter-cleaning.html

If you have it on your phone it will continue to work. If you have Google Apps (Business solution) it will continue to work. They not stopping Exchange ActiveSync dead come 31 Jan, its being phased out of the free accounts. SO after 31 Jan you will not be able to add Exchange ActiveSync to your account.
 
AlphaJohn said:
I guess the FUD is working then? Cause wpcentral + OP failed to mention the most important part of the announcement:


http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/winter-cleaning.html

If you have it on your phone it will continue to work. If you have Google Apps (Business solution) it will continue to work. They not stopping Exchange ActiveSync dead come 31 Jan, its being phased out of the free accounts. SO after 31 Jan you will not be able to add Exchange ActiveSync to your account.
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But that's as good as dead anyway. The point is that the majority of people dont have paid accounts. And WP8 is still growing, so the whole "if you already have it on your phone" thing makes no difference.
 
roguemat said:
But that's as good as dead anyway. The point is that the majority of people dont have paid accounts. And WP8 is still growing, so the whole "if you already have it on your phone" thing makes no difference.
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It does for the person I answered. Yes for the rest come Feb its another story, but here I would blame Microsoft more than Google.
Microsoft is the one that doesn't allow open standards on their devices, forcing Google to use a close proprietary service.
 
I O U said:
Apple (iOS) said to be unaffected by this change.
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Yes but they could be referring to the default "Gmail" preset accounts in iOS which is only for Email.

And that's rubbish, nobody should setup their Google account like that.
 
Frikkenator said:
So it boils down to: I still use my Gmail address, but get and send everything from Outlook.com
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Thanks for going through the whole process & confirming how well it works.

AlphaJohn said:
... for the rest come Feb its another story, but here I would blame Microsoft more than Google.
Microsoft is the one that doesn't allow open standards on their devices, forcing Google to use a close proprietary service.
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Seems that even if you do the prep. work for it now (before the 30st Jan 2013), if you only get a Windows phone after this date, there's likely to be a problem getting G-mail via an Outlook a/c to a Win. phone ... unless Microsoft sort something out in the interim ?
 
I O U said:
Seems that even if you do the prep. work for it now (before the 30st Jan 2013), if you only get a Windows phone after this date, there's likely to be a problem getting G-mail via an Outlook a/c to a Win. phone ... unless Microsoft sort something out in the interim ?
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Well either Microsoft or some developer simply would code an app that can use em CalDAV and CardDAV, you know em extension of that open protocol known as WebDAV :)

Which is not a tall order seeing that Microsoft been using WebDAV since Windows 98 days(Web Folders).
 
I've been doing a test between a subsidiary GMail a/c & 'test' older Hotmail a/c, and yesterday moved some contacts, a calendar, and attempted to move mail across (about 460 of them, all without attachments).

Hotmail has picked up the GMail address, and allows me to use that as the address to send out from, which is fine.
However, none of the mails I thought would move across have made it. It's approaching 24 hours, and I was wondering if they (the mails) are all supposed to be copied over in one go, or do they make it in bits & pieces ?

One other thing - I've read that after the 30 Jan., you'll be able to pick up your GMail on a WP8 using IMAP (not POP).
Does that mean I should convert my GMail a/c to IMAP, and then move it across to an Outlook.com a/c; or, can I leave GMail as a POP a/c (which I prefer), move to Outlook.com a/c, and at some later stage (if I get a WP8 phone), I can sync to Outlook.com using IMAP settings ?

The thing is, I don't see anything in Outlook.com which allows for an IMAP option, or is it automated ?
Unlike, in GMail, which gives you the option of choosing between POP & IMAP.

Please help out with these queries, as I'd like to get it all right, before I start the process for 'real' (not just with the test phase).

Thanks.
 
I O U said:
IOne other thing - I've read that after the 30 Jan., you'll be able to pick up your GMail on a WP8 using IMAP (not POP).
Does that mean I should convert my GMail a/c to IMAP, and then move it across to an Outlook.com a/c; or, can I leave GMail as a POP a/c (which I prefer), move to Outlook.com a/c, and at some later stage (if I get a WP8 phone), I can sync to Outlook.com using IMAP settings ?
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Come 30 Jan you will not be able to add NEW EAS connections to Gmail unless you go corporate (aka Google Apps)
Existing accounts (mail, calendar and contacts) will work as normal. I say again its only new users that will be affected. Well that is until Microsoft get their act together and support CardDAV and CalDAV, you know, like in reform to Standards.

New users will only be able to sync email via IMAP, well unless they use a 3rd part app.
 
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