Google's Schmidt: Android leads the iPhone

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I can fully undestrand from a testing standpoint, and that's why with the release of ICS google will be taking a more active and restrictive role from a hardware standpoint, setting minimum requirements for any and all new handsets released with ICS in part to ensure a minimum software upgrade of 3 major releases, no device with insufficient hardware to meet googles requirements will be allowed to use the Android OS. I can only assume this will benefit developers.

Also after discussing ICS with a developer on this forums it's my understanding that the new developer tools and documentation has greatly been improved upon as well as a major simplification and clean up regarding the code, that too should make development faster and easy and hopefully more flexible.

I have personally tried using a recent SDK for simply testing a website in a true mobile view without having to use m phone, was a complete nightmare to even find instructions. Fortunately it was a website and eventually found Opera Mobile Emulator which works nicely.

One can only hope -- I however doubt that this is going to be completed with the ICS timeframe, re a large pool of the existing install base have kit that is more than capable to run ICS -- in either case it would be much better if Google could together with the hardware vendors try to standardize some of it going forward.

I don't have the time at the moment to look into the dev /SDK changes re ICS, but I believe they would have tried to improve on things. Hopefully they worked on the tools as well.

Yes it's a pain in the butt when good documentation is not readily available.

 

[BeVonk!]

Elimentals, your thoughts?

I was handed a HTC Flyer yesterday for testing/development and I am seriously impressed with it. Runs Gingerbread (3.3)(and not Honeycomb) which is ideal for me.

 

[BeVonk!]

Elimentals, your thoughts?

I was handed a HTC Flyer yesterday for testing/development and I am seriously impressed with it. Runs Gingerbread (3.3)(and not Honeycomb) which is ideal for me.

 

[Elimentals]

As a developer I can tell you why.

iOS Apple helps catching the brain dead users when it comes to product support, so you only deal with application problems.

When you create applications on Android you have to support everything, from hardware issues to software problems. 9 out of 10 support tickets I have to deal with on Android is device based. It has nothing to do with piracy as the free apps follow the same path.

Example people that can not install the app because some issue with the market app where the have to clear the cache and install again, or they loaded some custom ROM that ****s up my API's used. So only when our company is happy that a product works well and have most of the bugs sorted out do we port it to the Android Market, this eliminates most of our guesswork on finding out where bugs are.

Windows, have you restarted your PC has become Android's have you cleared your cache.

 

[Elimentals]

Elimentals, your thoughts?

I was handed a HTC Flyer yesterday for testing/development and I am seriously impressed with it. Runs Gingerbread (3.3)(and not Honeycomb) which is ideal for me.

If its with the included stylus then yes, I love it. Only problem is the lack of ICS and the acceleration it will bring, but you can always go look at XDA for help on that.

 

[unskinnybob]

Droid boys - ask any iPhone user this: How many times have you had to restart your iPhone this week. In-fact - this month. My answer: zero.

Much as I'd love to dump my apple (largely because I'm unable to BUY what I want on a VERY limited SA app store), I'm just not feeling the same overall quality in droids just yet.

 

[Elimentals]

Droid boys - ask any iPhone user this: How many times have you had to restart your iPhone this week. In-fact - this month. My answer: zero.

Much as I'd love to dump my apple (largely because I'm unable to BUY what I want on a VERY limited SA app store), I'm just not feeling the same overall quality in droids just yet.

Erm WTF?

I have yet to restart my Android phone for any reason(I have 3 phones and not once did any need to restart), but restarted my iPhone many times due to problems with apps.

 

[unskinnybob]

Erm WTF?

I have yet to restart my Android phone for any reason(I have 3 phones and not once did any need to restart), but restarted my iPhone many times due to problems with apps.

We must live in two very different worlds. My brother was showing me the FNB app on his phone. Phone got unresponsive and he had to restart. A friend was showing off his fancy new Samsung when it restarted all by itself. Colleague was showing off his droid tablet - also some Samsung device - that also started to get unresponsive. Result? Restart.

As for my iPhone 3Gs, I must not be running the same apps as you were. Only time I've had to restart (or respring) was after jailbreaking or adding jailbroken apps. Running vanilla - no restarts.

 

[Elimentals]

We must live in two very different worlds. My brother was showing me the FNB app on his phone. Phone got unresponsive and he had to restart. A friend was showing off his fancy new Samsung when it restarted all by itself. Colleague was showing off his droid tablet - also some Samsung device - that also started to get unresponsive. Result? Restart.

As for my iPhone 3Gs, I must not be running the same apps as you were. Only time I've had to restart (or respring) was after jailbreaking or adding jailbroken apps. Running vanilla - no restarts.

Aaah but there lies the answer, its not the device but in fact the applications that cause the problems.

As for unresponsive, because Android does full multitasking opening many applications without properly exiting does cause this. Tell the people that do have the problem to run something like watchdog task manager or simply exit properly.

Yes I know iOS you dont need to do that, but then again iOS does not multitask, its just fakes it by allowing certain services to run in the background and suspending the rest

 

[w1z4rd]

Because with Apple's app store and its closed environment your apps will sell and you will get your money. For Android one can get apps anywhere without paying for them (torrents for example). Android is a pirates dream come true.

Its not like you can Jailbreak an iphone or anything....

I saw warez apps on an iphone before I ever saw them on a droid. With iphones you jailbreak your devices (most iphones are like this) to run the warez apps. With the droid you need to root your phone to run the warez apps for that. Ive seen very few rooted droids.

 

[CranialBlaze]

Restart, that must be one of those hidden functions. Can anyone tell me where to do that just in case i ever need to, according to my log the phones been on for just over 3 weeks, i think that's because i let the battery die a few sundays ago.

 

[grok]

Ex iPhone user, android now, and the iPhone feels ancient against the SGS2. You get the apps you want on both platforms, but android is just superior in terms of ease of use.
Kids love android 'cos they can all they want without being tied to iTunes.

It also boils down to not wanting to support a company where some fuddy duddy in a turtleneck decided I shouldn't see pronz on 'his' phone vs android's 'you paid for it do whatever the fsck you want with it' attitude.

 

[BeVonk!]

I have to reboot my SGT 10.1 three times a day at least and I've reinstalled the OS at least four times by now. It is a real problem on some Android devices. Never had the same issues on any of my Apple devices.

My SGS 2 also gave problems (rebooting by itself) and this was only resolved after a OS reinstall. It is going very well now.

With Android there is unfortunarely a mixed-bag of experiences. Apple is for sure more stable.

But Android's mixed-bag comes with a lot of very lekker goodies. I like it more by the day. The Flyer is truly awesome and my first choice device now.

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[Elimentals]

I have to reboot my SGT 10.1 three times a day at least and I've reinstalled the OS at least four times by now. It is a real problem on some Android devices. Never had the same issues on any of my Apple devices.

Still? As I recall you had a OEM fault from day one, but that should have been fixed with a swap out by now?

Under no circumstance is it normal for a phone to have to reboot on a daily basis.... ever.

 

[BeVonk!]

Still? As I recall you had a OEM fault from day one, but that should have been fixed with a swap out by now?

Under no circumstance is it normal for a phone to have to reboot on a daily basis.... ever.

OEM fault was the Newton rings. Samsung SA replaced that unit and the rings have stayed away since. The OS (Honeycomb) is another story. All kinds of niggles ... like the backspace on the keyboard that often stops working, apps that just won't download and install (works after many attempts), apps closing, etc. On Gingerbread I have a far better experience. Why I selected the Flyer with Gingerbread for testing for work environment. I just don't trust the Honeycomb-Samsung cobination.

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