GOP may actually beat Obama.

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I am a Ron Paul supporter. If he doesn't win the Republican nomination which was a massive longshot, I simply would not vote if I had a choice.

So it seems as if Romney will win, and it seems if the GOP actually might have stumbled blindly on a way to beat Obama. (Ironically Paul would not be in favour of this on principle since it allows more spending...)

Previously I had the opinion that if Romney went against Obama, that Obama would win quite easy. Now I think my opinion might change.

I do not think Romney beating Obama would be better for anyone...

All from Zerohedge:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/uh-ma...he-will-breach-debt-ceiling-two-months-electi

"Uh, Marriner Eccles: We Have A Problem" - Obama Predicts He Will Breach Debt Ceiling Two Months Before Election

In light of the epic fiasco from last August, when the US debt ceiling hike became a 2 month televized affair, culminating with the GOP caving, but not before the S&P downgraded the US (and in the process breaking the US stock market), Zero Hedge has long been analyzing the chronology of future debt breaches, as with the presidential election in November, what happens in the months and weeks ahead of it as pertains to the number one problem facing America - its lethal debt addiction - will be by far the biggest weakness of Obama's campaign.

This is something we believe the GOP has finally understood, and they want a full replay of last August's insanity, to remind America just how broke (and broken) this country is. Yet it turns out all of our analyses have been for naught (if 100% correct). Because it is none other than President Barack Obama who has been kind enough to point out, that on September 30, 2012, or in just over 7 months, total US debt subject to the limit will be, wait for it, $16,333,900,000,000. Why is this an issue: because the final debt ceiling that Obama has been afforded with automatic Senatorial roll overs (even as Congress theatrically votes these down), is $16,394,000,000. In other words, with two months ahead of the election, the US will have a de minimis $61 billion in debt capacity. And since the implied burn rate is $133 billion/month this means that the United States will be in full blown debt ceiling hike chaos just as the final electoral debates take place. And one wonders why the GOP rushed to green light Obama an additional $160 billion in debt issuance. If indeed the $160 billion in new debt is added, the US may not even last to September before Tim Geithner is forced to start plundering G-fund and other retirement accounts.

It also means that two months of America in a debt ceiling breach situation will deal a dramatic blow to Obama's reelection chances as the last thing the US population will want is a replay of last summer.

From the Analytical Perspectives Section of the President's Budget (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/econ_analyses.pdf). One word: OOPS

As a reminder, here is what we said on the topic of the GOP's increasingly more interesting gambit yesterday.

Two weeks ago when discussing the latest lunacy surrounding America's exponential curve #1 also known as its debt balance, we suggested what the GOP election strategy should be: "[if] the debt ceiling becomes a sticking point at the election, Obama's chances of reelection plunge. Which makes us wonder - will Republicans grasp that the paradox of defeating Obama is precisely in giving him a carte blanche on all the stimulus programs he wants? Because if Congress approves another $200, 300 or even $400 billion in stimulus pork (the only thing better than one Solyndra? One thousand Solyndras!) the Treasury will drown in the need to raise hundreds of billions more, and will in fact hit the ceiling well in advance of the elections. As for the stimulus projects themselves, they will crash and burn just like all centrally planned endeavors, and actually result in a far worse outcome than if they had never been attempted. [Because] the best way to finally get back to a fiscally prudent regime? Why go to town, of course." We were delighted to discover that our policy anti-recommendation has finally been adopted. Because as the WSJ reports when it comes to the latest payroll tax extension we find something quite stunning: "House Republican leaders said Monday they would introduce a bill extending the payroll-tax break for the rest of the year without finding spending cuts to offset the program's cost. The proposal marks a major shift for Republicans, who previously had insisted that the costs of extending a trio of provisions expiring at the end of the month be offset with spending cuts." That's right - no offsetting spending cuts. Which means one thing - much more debt. How much more? At least $160 billion much. Which means that the debt ceiling discussion will hit not in November as we speculated previously, but potentially as soon as September.



It also means that by the time the GOP candidate is debating Obama the primary topic of discussion will be just how much the Administration is plundering from government retirement and pension accounts to keep the country under the latest and greatest (and just upwardly revised) $16.4 trillion debt ceiling.

And some more color in this most critical matter from none other than former Obama's economic advisor, Peter Orszag courtesy of Bloomberg:

Table 6-2 shows that even with a somewhat sunny outlook for economic growth this year, the amount of government debt that is applicable to the debt limit is projected to reach, by the end of September, $16.3 trillion. The debt-limit itself currently stands at $16.4 trillion. So by next January, if not sooner, we will again be debating a debt-limit increase -- at the same time that significant spending reductions and tax-cut expirations are scheduled to take effect. The journey through this fiscal maze next year will make last summer’s debt-limit debate look like child’s play.

Spot on Peter, only it won't be next January. It will be this September. If not sooner.
 
The final showdown will be a laugh to behold, imagine Obama and Mitt the Panda (author of Obamacare via Romneycare) go head to head on who would be the more fiscally prudent leader when the debt fiasco comes again.

Who stinks more... I really dislike Obama, but I might actually dislike Mitt more.
The lesser of 2 evils is never a choice but the illusion of choice.
 
There is no inflation like hyperinflation. Now I'm waiting for all the pro Keynesian people to show us how wrong the Austrian economists were in predicting that this will happen disproving the 'empirical approach' that they so religiously follow.
 
The final showdown will be a laugh to behold, imagine Obama and Mitt the Panda (author of Obamacare via Romneycare) go head to head on who would be the more fiscally prudent leader when the debt fiasco comes again.

Who stinks more... I really dislike Obama, but I might actually dislike Mitt more.
The lesser of 2 evils is never a choice but the illusion of choice.

That's a bizarre statement. The libertarian who prefers the big nanny state progressive over the more pro business candidate. I suppose that's why libertarians or any anarchists are such terrible allies. Rigidly stick to their naive ideals and reserve their ire for treasonous allies for "selling out" rather than the real opposition.

As for the election

Gallup released their annual state-by-state presidential approval numbers yesterday, and the results should have 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue very worried. If President Obama carries only those states where he had a net positive approval rating in 2011 (e.g. Michigan where he is up 48 percent to 44 percent), Obama would lose the 2012 election to the Republican nominee 323 electoral votes to 215.

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That's a bizarre statement. The libertarian who prefers the big nanny state progressive over the more pro business candidate.

Romney isn't pro-business. Arguing he is, is quite bizarre. Actually I have no idea what he believes or doesn't believe. There are dozens of youtube video's of him saying one thing on day and the exact opposite the next day. He basically wrote Obamacare as it is based on his Romneycare.

I suppose that's why libertarians or any anarchists are such terrible allies. Rigidly stick to their naive ideals and reserve their ire for treasonous allies for "selling out" rather than the real opposition.

Rigidly sticking to ideals, thanks for the compliment. Who's the real opposition? As I have made clear numerous times on this forum, I stand for principles. Both candidates go against these principles, the question is which candidite is worse.

As for libertarian "naiveness". But, if the **** hits the fan, us libertarians will be more prepared for it than anyone else, we generally called the financial crises, not you guys. We are pro right to bear arms (and even advocate it), pro self-responsibility, sufficiency and pro individual rights and responsibility.

Romney isn't.

As I made ABUNDANTLY clear and something you clearly miss, I am certainly NOT supporting Obama. The fact you feel that if I am not pro-Romney that automatically makes me anti-Obama is really demonstrative of the problems with American politics, there is no choice except for the illusion of it.

Will Romney be better? You're not omnitient, so any arguement he will be is based on nothing more than hope, faith and speculation he will be better.

Both spell bad news.
 
The GOP have as much of a chance of beating Obama as Ron Paul has of winning the GOP primaries.

Obama`s approval ratings are slowly increasing as unemployment drops. The economy is not fixed yet, and there`s no chance of someone from the GOP fixing it. People are still traumatized by the last GOP president. Another thing is the GOP are pushing away the moderates at a steady rate. Its become repulsive for many to be associated with the GOP. The GOP are going to have to spend a long time fixing their name. They have become a world wide joke.
 
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I have subscribed to this thread, cant wait to laugh after the elections. hahaha. Promise Ill be reminding people about this thread :D
 
I have subscribed to this thread, cant wait to laugh after the elections. hahaha. Promise Ill be reminding people about this thread :D

If Ron Paul runs on an independent ticket then Obama's chances will increase again.

But if Obama has to go on national TV with another debt ceiling fiasco and have to explain to people why he is better at keeping the debt in check (after a incredibly poor record) than a businessman, he will have a very hard time.

American sentiment changes on a dime and Obama still has terrible approval ratings.http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/obamas-approval-ratings-suggest-2012-nail-biter/
 
Romney isn't pro-business. Arguing he is, is quite bizarre. Actually I have no idea what he believes or doesn't believe. There are dozens of youtube video's of him saying one thing on day and the exact opposite the next day. He basically wrote Obamacare as it is based on his Romneycare.

eh he does actually have a record. like I said he is more pro business than Obama. He might not be your rigid definition of it but he is more inclined towards free markets than Obama.

Again you fail to grasp the difference between a healthcare system formulated for a state and one one for an entire country. Romney will repeal Obamacare he has no choice.

Rigidly sticking to ideals, thanks for the compliment. Who's the real opposition? As I have made clear numerous times on this forum, I stand for principles. Both candidates go against these principles, the question is which candidite is worse.

I suppose it is if it wasn't so self defeating. You cling to your principles rather than comprise and end up with the worse case scenario. Well done.

It's obvious Obama is worse. How on earth can you argue otherwise.

As for libertarian "naiveness". But, if the **** hits the fan, us libertarians will be more prepared for it than anyone else, we generally called the financial crises, not you guys. We are pro right to bear arms (and even advocate it), pro self-responsibility, sufficiency and pro individual rights and responsibility.

Romney isn't.


Good for you. But again you fail to realise how the system works. It's about compromise. You cannot have absolutely everything your way a society based solely on your principles. Do you realise the irony of how totalitarian you sound. Unfortunately for you most people are not libertarian. You can either work with them, exert some influence and live in a society that is more inclined towards your Libertarian philosophy or you can have a hissy fit clinging to your 'principles' and have no influence and let the big nanny state progressive dictate what type of society you live in.
 
eh he does actually have a record. like I said he is more pro business than Obama. He might not be your rigid definition of it but he is more inclined towards free markets than Obama.

Again you fail to grasp the difference between a healthcare system formulated for a state and one one for an entire country. Romney will repeal Obamacare he has no choice.



I suppose it is if it wasn't so self defeating. You cling to your principles rather than comprise and end up with the worse case scenario. Well done.

It's obvious Obama is worse. How on earth can you argue otherwise.




Good for you. But again you fail to realise how the system works. It's about compromise. You cannot have absolutely everything your way a society based solely on your principles. Do you realise the irony of how totalitarian you sound. Unfortunately for you most people are not libertarian. You can either work with them, exert some influence and live in a society that is more inclined towards your Libertarian philosophy or you can have a hissy fit clinging to your 'principles' and have no influence and let the big nanny state progressive dictate what type of society you live in.

Actually you fail to understand how the system works. Comprising ratifies all the bad decisions people make.

Obama did the same as Bush, same policies. If you voted for Obama and stand by him, then you are agreeing with what Bush did as you are backing Obama and Obama has ratified all of Bush's major policies.

As I said, I don't believe Romney is pro-business. I believe he is pro certain business interests, but that is not free market or capitalism but crony capitalism and is one of the biggest problems in the US and World Wide.

And don't use words like totalitarian when talking of not compromising. To give an example, if person A asks person B to kill 10 people and he refuses to kill any based on principle, killing only 5 would be a compromise and I would hardly want to label Person B as being "totalitarian" and "naive" for refusing to kill anyone based on principle.

Besides, the erosion of liberty doesn't happen in one broad stroke, but slowly happens with each new small compromise. This argument has been used in a South African context many times. The only way to prevent this slow erosion of liberty is to make a stand and NOT compromise.

That is where I stand.
 
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