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So while exploring fibre products, I happen to notice something off with Mweb. They offer uncapped fibre (great) with a 4mbps down (fair enough) and 1mbps up?!? Now if I understand correctly, fibre is supposed to be 1 to 1 and the reason adsl isn't is a limitation of adsl. So why would anyone sign up to a fibre product with a purposeful limitation? Is a cost thing mweb?
 
Most people don't need upload speed.
There are symmetrical options as well...
 
Usually an ISP who sells bandwidth has more upstream than downstream capacity since the buy 1:1 (1 up, 1 down), however this gets re-used in their hosting facilities where upstream becomes important (you download a file from server, server needs your download capacity in upload capacity)

So them offering 4 down and 1 up, probably ensures that their hosting portion doesn't suffer from a downgraded upstream experience because of fiber (which translates into cost saving while offering a fiber package)

Totally useless, but I've seen companies do that on uncapped fiber offerings, not as badly as MWEB though. I have 4 down and 2 up. Upgrading end of the month to 10 down and 5 up. Fiber is nice. Eyeing the 100 down and 50 up uncapped package, but can't justify the cost vs the speed and what I use my internet for. 10mb is fine :D
 
Why do you need fibre for 4mb speeds? No need to waste time and effort.
 
Most of the ISPs offer packages that are not 1:1. Who really needs huge upload speeds. I know cool ideas offers 20:2 and 50:5 packages but you can get the 20:20 and 50:50 packages too for a bit more. But i don't think most people are really after a 50Mbps upload speed.
 
Upload/Download ratios are very much dependent on the network infrastructure. PON equipment can upload at 50% of the download speed, while AON networks will offer symmetrical upload/download speeds.
 
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Waiting for PostmanPot to drop in here and start punting Mweb and how "amazing" they are :whistle:
 
PostManPat said:
Why do you need fibre for 4mb speeds? No need to waste time and effort.
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ADSL is rubbish and not wanting to deal with telkom in any way, shape or form. Also fibre should be 1:1 and 4mbps up is nice for YouTube uploads and twitch streaming.

I am currently on fibre in my estate with uncapped 4mbps up and down and was wondering why more mainstream isps feel the need to be underhanded with the public just because the adsl ratios are the norm?
 
ChocolateBadger said:
ADSL is rubbish and not wanting to deal with telkom in any way, shape or form. Also fibre should be 1:1 and 4mbps up is nice for YouTube uploads and twitch streaming.

I am currently on fibre in my estate with uncapped 4mbps up and down and was wondering why more mainstream isps feel the need to be underhanded with the public just because the adsl ratios are the norm?
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Not sure why you see it as underhanded.
The reason ADSL ratios are what they are are because that is what most consumers need.
My usage - upload is about one fiftieth of download, and I'm probably fairly typical.
For twitch streaming or video uploads, sure a faster upload is possible, but most consumers do not do that.

Most Fibre ISPs are offering a choice of symmetrical or a 10:1 down/up ratio...
 
Someone correct me if I am wrong but at the exchange on ADSL you are in contention with your neighbors at 40:1 (in my area this was the case - assume this fluctuates according to how busy that exchange is.) What your ISP offers could be 20:1 on their end which doesn't have much effect if at an exchange level you're contending 40:1.

If it's a fibre product then it's normally 10:1 or 5:1 at your exchange and I assume the ISP matches that ratio on their end when contending for bandwidth.
 
lukekay said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but at the exchange on ADSL you are in contention with your neighbors at 40:1 (in my area this was the case - assume this fluctuates according to how busy that exchange is.) What your ISP offers could be 20:1 on their end which doesn't have much effect if at an exchange level you're contending 40:1.

If it's a fibre product then it's normally 10:1 or 5:1 at your exchange and I assume the ISP matches that ratio on their end when contending for bandwidth.
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He's not talking about contention, he's talking about upload to download ratio.
 
lukekay said:
If it's a fibre product then it's normally 10:1 or 5:1 at your exchange and I assume the ISP matches that ratio on their end when contending for bandwidth.
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Sorry, but plenty of fibre ISP's contend at more (even much more) than 1:20. People are in it to make money.
 
The fibre there is offered by Vumatel. Vumatel offer symmetric and asymmetric offerings to ISPs. ISPs build their products accordingly...
 
Sinbad said:
He's not talking about contention, he's talking about upload to download ratio.
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Ah yes!!! My apologies everyone by the time of reading through the thread managed to get onto contention ratios and not bandwidth down:up ratios :whistle: :D

dotVIBE said:
Sorry, but plenty of fibre ISP's contend at more (even much more) than 1:20. People are in it to make money.
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yeah no fair enough but if a fibre provider mentions 10:1 would that then only apply to the physical connection and not the data connection breakout (which would in essence be set by the ISP?)
 
lukekay said:
yeah no fair enough but if a fibre provider mentions 10:1 would that then only apply to the physical connection and not the data connection breakout (which would in essence be set by the ISP?)
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I think you have to differentiate between network operator and ISP here. In an open access scenario, the network operator will usually rent out a contended line to the ISP. The network operator on a residential network work usually contends between 1:10 and 1:15. The ISP will link that line to their breakout, and set their own contention ratio for your link.
 
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