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Gtx Gaming said:
SSD's are all the same, made in china. The speed is normally the same for sata drives.

Samsung will have faster and higher quality memory that last longer as they pay for higher quality NAND chips. They normally have 5 or 10 year warranty.

You basically get a better price for a shorter warranty, 3 years in this case.
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SSDs are not all the same...

airborne said:
I would stick with the known good brands with Ssd, I'd rather go most entry level(which is still stupid fast) good brand than some off brand ssd. Looks like the budget Samsungs are hardly much more than these Mushkin drives.

Who actually needs ssd's with over 500MB/s read or write speeds, apart those wanting to boast about their ego boosting 1200MB/s ssd drive in their super super gaming rig?
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It isn't the sequential read or write that is important as an OS drive but rather random read/write. There are other metrics and features more important which also are not quoted liked backup capacitors, OPAL or other encryption etc etc.
 
Ok my bad, if entry level drives now crack 1000MB's then all good but otherwise I definitely wouldn't be paying a significant premuim for it.

I'd still be interested to know what those extreme read/write speeds are necessary for?

The leap from platter drive to any decent ssd made in the last 5yrs is a enormous leap in system performance, but after that leap I'm not sure what difference these extreme speeds make to real world useage of a computer, unless you have a very specific need for it.

On the other hand what is needed is low cost high capacity Ssd's, I'd love to get a 2tb ssd for data storage but as yet still out of my bracket.
 
airborne said:
Ok my bad, if entry level drives now crack 1000MB's then all good but otherwise I definitely wouldn't be paying a significant premuim for it.

I'd still be interested to know what those extreme read/write speeds are necessary for?

The leap from platter drive to any decent ssd made in the last 5yrs is a enormous leap in system performance, but after that leap I'm not sure what difference these extreme speeds make to real world useage of a computer, unless you have a very specific need for it.

On the other hand what is needed is low cost high capacity Ssd's, I'd love to get a 2tb ssd for data storage but as yet still out of my bracket.
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Like the poster above said it's random read/write and what he didn't mention is latency.

Those crazy 2000MB/s you'll only see when you work with large files, say copy a 100GB file from one to the other you'll see your 2000MB/s but real world is your random read/write, if you benchmark it a normal 860 Evo will probably only do around 250MB/s on a 4kB random write test while a NVMe will get more than double that and at a 5th of the latency.
 
Volksieboi said:
So in short.

For the average Joe like me with an old 4th gen i5 basic PC... it doesnt matter.

I'll wait for [MENTION=11963]Praeses[/MENTION] to provide feedback.
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And feedback you will receive! Just waiting for Wootware to ship my order. :D
 
Soul Assassin said:
Like the poster above said it's random read/write and what he didn't mention is latency.

Those crazy 2000MB/s you'll only see when you work with large files, say copy a 100GB file from one to the other you'll see your 2000MB/s but real world is your random read/write, if you benchmark it a normal 860 Evo will probably only do around 250MB/s on a 4kB random write test while a NVMe will get more than double that and at a 5th of the latency.
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But where are you really going to notice the latency difference?

Say budget drive latency 10ms vs 2ms fast drive are both so small to be imperceptible to anything other than benchmark software.

And random read/write speeds, how will ultra fast be better than fast other than on the scorecard in terms of user experience.
 
airborne said:
But where are you really going to notice the latency difference?

Say budget drive latency 10ms vs 2ms fast drive are both so small to be imperceptible to anything other than benchmark software.

And random read/write speeds, how will ultra fast be better than fast other than on the scorecard in terms of user experience.
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I think the difference should be able to be felt IMHO. Just the day to day responsiveness should improve by quite a fair margin with a beefy CPU. When I moved from my 60GB Agility 3 to my 850 Evo, the difference was day and night even though, on paper, the difference shouldn't have been that large.

That being said, going from a HDD to any SSD should be a massive jump already and I would see no need to upgrade if you are running an SSD not older than 18 months, unless of course you are running out of space or have specific use requirements (RAID, insanely large databases etc) or can justify freeing up a SATA port by switching to nvme
 
PhireSide said:
I think the difference should be able to be felt IMHO. Just the day to day responsiveness should improve by quite a fair margin with a beefy CPU. When I moved from my 60GB Agility 3 to my 850 Evo, the difference was day and night even though, on paper, the difference shouldn't have been that large.
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I feel no difference between my raid0 SSD in my laptop vs my gaming machine vs my work laptop though.
 
CamiKaze said:
I feel no difference between my raid0 SSD in my laptop vs my gaming machine vs my work laptop though.
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Maybe it was confirmation bias on my side, but I loved working with an nvme drive on a mate's PC vs my 'normal' SSD I run at home :D
 
airborne said:
But where are you really going to notice the latency difference?

Say budget drive latency 10ms vs 2ms fast drive are both so small to be imperceptible to anything other than benchmark software.

And random read/write speeds, how will ultra fast be better than fast other than on the scorecard in terms of user experience.
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You can just check YouTube for comparisons, games and programs start in half the time vs a normal SSD and think of other users that do things you might not do, people working with uncompressed video, an hour of uncompressed 1080P video is over 500GB, any real work not just using your PC to browse, game etc will make your work take half the time.
 
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PhireSide said:
Maybe it was confirmation bias on my side, but I loved working with an nvme drive on a mate's PC vs my 'normal' SSD I run at home :D
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My Samsung Evo 960 in my 7700HQ laptop is an absolute dream to work with. Windows is booted up as fast as I type in my password to log in - and I'm used to SSD speeds on my desktop at home, yet this NVMe drive still blows me away. :D
 
SlinkyMike said:
Any recommendations on a 4tb 3.5" drive with enclosure? Recently had a small scare so keen to do a full backup.
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Takealot has the Seagate 3.5" Expansion Desktop Drive - 4TB for R1699. Using the APP150 you can have it for R1549.

The seagate 4 TB internal drive is R200 cheaper so in effect you only paying R200 for the enclosure. You can always remove the drive from the enclosure later should you want to use it as an internal drive.
 
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cenredash said:
Yep although might just about fit if it doesn't have a wide bezel.

If you have good tv/good price combination then please recommend.
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Im also looking for a 32/40 and most of the newer ones ive seen have very thin bezels ie hisense/sinotec etc
So it might just work in your space - the price is very similar to the 28" you linked to
 
CamiKaze said:
I feel no difference between my raid0 SSD in my laptop vs my gaming machine vs my work laptop though.
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RAID 0 with SSDs is pretty much a waste of time. It is only really good for synthetic workloads, so you probably won't notice the difference.
 
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