So I wanna spec Enhancement and go play around in some BG's and stuff while waiting for the expansion, but not until those Ret nerfs come through. Have they happened yet? Or are the bubblewrap boiz still pwning everything left and right?
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Has ret been nerfed yet?
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Pornolio
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First round of nerfs were implimented via hotfix on the servers. The others are coming with the next patch. Its still bad, but at least they kinda run into mana issues now. In the past they could just go on and on without stopping.
Pornolio
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Agreed... troll alarm sensors are off the scale.
If there is any class you have to work hard towards a kill, its a pally. You have to pretty much nuke him down twice before he dies... and as long as he has mana, you are wasting your time nuking him down.
If there is any class you have to work hard towards a kill, its a pally. You have to pretty much nuke him down twice before he dies... and as long as he has mana, you are wasting your time nuking him down.
Probably means me 
Sorry if it was taken as that, I just get tired of everyone crying for nerfs every time the pallys get a buff. Same thing happened with the launch of TBC, pallys got a decent buff and then everyone cried and they where nerfed back down.
I'll agree that the current buffs where a little over powered, but would have been fine at lvl 80. Now pallys are getting the nerfs again and will again be sadly lacking through out WoLK.
Sorry if it was taken as that, I just get tired of everyone crying for nerfs every time the pallys get a buff. Same thing happened with the launch of TBC, pallys got a decent buff and then everyone cried and they where nerfed back down.
I'll agree that the current buffs where a little over powered, but would have been fine at lvl 80. Now pallys are getting the nerfs again and will again be sadly lacking through out WoLK.
Eh, well if the next nerfs are only coming in a patch, i doubt they'll come through before WotLK, which is barely two weeks away.
And Eniigma, dude, Ret is ridiculous. I feel I am qualified to say this, having played a feral druid immediately prior to them being nerfed to hell just after BC. These nerfs are warranted. If it's underpowered at 80 then by all means, buff back up to relevance. But I don't want to spend my level 70-80 time being free HK's to paladins. There is something drastically wrong when you just stop even TRYING to fight back.
And Eniigma, dude, Ret is ridiculous. I feel I am qualified to say this, having played a feral druid immediately prior to them being nerfed to hell just after BC. These nerfs are warranted. If it's underpowered at 80 then by all means, buff back up to relevance. But I don't want to spend my level 70-80 time being free HK's to paladins. There is something drastically wrong when you just stop even TRYING to fight back.
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I wouldn't be surprised if all the those crying for nerfs are Rogues and Druids.
Pornolio
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Yup... pala's in general had it the worst. But it was also really needed.
For some reasons Pala's always had extreme changes. No marginal changes.
Things that comes to mind... Pre TBC before they had their first major round of nerfs - A class that was able to solo a world boss like Doom Lord kazzak ???
Now in TBC - They were so overpowered with latest buffs, I saw how pally's were solo'ing 4 players at the same time.... doing 4 x times more damage than any other class in normal AV game.
Its not their fault... but come on... pls dont cry that their nerfs are not needed.
For some reasons Pala's always had extreme changes. No marginal changes.
Things that comes to mind... Pre TBC before they had their first major round of nerfs - A class that was able to solo a world boss like Doom Lord kazzak ???
Now in TBC - They were so overpowered with latest buffs, I saw how pally's were solo'ing 4 players at the same time.... doing 4 x times more damage than any other class in normal AV game.
Its not their fault... but come on... pls dont cry that their nerfs are not needed.
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New character balance is for level 80. Moonkin and Retpaladins hardly get any new buffs from 71-80 so what you see now is what you will get at 80. That being said, some mechanisms on their mana useage have been altered for now, but will most likely be reimplemented after wotlk.
hehe I love the new ret but I can see why ppl say it's a bit imba. I played my 62 pala for the first time since the changes in 3.02 patch last night. Man I could grind forever without losing much mana or health (gotta love those instant cast flash heals).
At one point I was taking out those dreadlords in hellfire (you pick up the felblood) and was down to about half health with 4 of them on me. A lvl 63 rogue pops up and backstabs. Pretty much nuked him and only lost maybe 300 health over the fight! It was nuts but have to say that the pala class is much more fun to play now. I at least have 3 buttons to press now......crusader strike, bladestorm (I think that's its name) and judgement!
I will say though that I also found it pretty easy with my shammy now. He is low lvl (49) but with the mana shield now coming early you can also grind forever. Not to mention I was pawning lvl 52s with the toon. He's ehhancement btw.
What about warriors are they imba yet? If so I will go back to my 70. Only thing that really sucks is that with our ping times warrior pvp is horrid.
At one point I was taking out those dreadlords in hellfire (you pick up the felblood) and was down to about half health with 4 of them on me. A lvl 63 rogue pops up and backstabs. Pretty much nuked him and only lost maybe 300 health over the fight! It was nuts but have to say that the pala class is much more fun to play now. I at least have 3 buttons to press now......crusader strike, bladestorm (I think that's its name) and judgement!
I will say though that I also found it pretty easy with my shammy now. He is low lvl (49) but with the mana shield now coming early you can also grind forever. Not to mention I was pawning lvl 52s with the toon. He's ehhancement btw.
What about warriors are they imba yet? If so I will go back to my 70. Only thing that really sucks is that with our ping times warrior pvp is horrid.
Pitbull
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a Shaman has no Problem to kill a Pala if you know what your doing, they are the Anti- Pala class to begin with
I have had a few Pala's hit me very hard but 70% of them die rather easy
I have had a few Pala's hit me very hard but 70% of them die rather easy
Tbh as a paladin myself, I can tell you all they are the most misunderstood class of all.
Back in the days when I had a life... oh wait
... nm that crap, back in the days when I first started playing WoW, I pictured my paladin as being the holy warrior type, able to charge into battle swinging and take some knocks, yet save her mates with healing. Sadly, that has never been the case.
And its a pity really, because sooo much of the Lore of the game revolves around paladins. Uther, Tirion, even Arthas before his fall... some of the greatest paladins that carry huge vital storylines. Even back in the days of Warcraft 1 - 3 and expansions, all those little blue guys on horses? Yep paladins all.
Its possible that the class was actually working properly for the first time ever, but cos of PvP noobs, the nerfs swat us out of utility once again and into LoL-dom
And they didnt apply it to one branch, but the nerfs affect all 3 trees, so again, like I said... LoL-dom...
It is hard enough to lvl a pala, now my biggest damage spell is holy shock?? WTF??? Even against the undead invaders I suck.
Meh... one day you will all marvel at our true glory, and cower in fear at our majesty
Back in the days when I had a life... oh wait
... nm that crap, back in the days when I first started playing WoW, I pictured my paladin as being the holy warrior type, able to charge into battle swinging and take some knocks, yet save her mates with healing. Sadly, that has never been the case.And its a pity really, because sooo much of the Lore of the game revolves around paladins. Uther, Tirion, even Arthas before his fall... some of the greatest paladins that carry huge vital storylines. Even back in the days of Warcraft 1 - 3 and expansions, all those little blue guys on horses? Yep paladins all.
Its possible that the class was actually working properly for the first time ever, but cos of PvP noobs, the nerfs swat us out of utility once again and into LoL-dom
And they didnt apply it to one branch, but the nerfs affect all 3 trees, so again, like I said... LoL-dom...It is hard enough to lvl a pala, now my biggest damage spell is holy shock?? WTF??? Even against the undead invaders I suck.
Meh... one day you will all marvel at our true glory, and cower in fear at our majesty
For pvp the recent buff was over powered for the pally, but in terms of pve dps it was needed. The problem I have is with the way they buff pallys up very nicely, possibly too much but then they over correct and nerf them down way too much. That and the way everyone screams for nerfs so fast it makes your head spin.
What other class has been nerfed within 2 weeks of been buffed by a hot fix on the server side? (Thats a serious question, I don't know of any but would be curious to see if there are.)
Anyway I'll try and shut-up now
What other class has been nerfed within 2 weeks of been buffed by a hot fix on the server side? (Thats a serious question, I don't know of any but would be curious to see if there are.)
Anyway I'll try and shut-up now
TofuMofu
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Meh... one day you will all marvel at our true glory, and cower in fear at our majesty
Orrrr...nuke you down and /lol
Meh... one day you will all marvel at our true glory, and cower in fear at our majesty
Or you will get nerfed 2 weeks after that day.
