Have We Been Interpreting Quantum Mechanics Wrong This Whole Time?

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Have We Been Interpreting Quantum Mechanics Wrong This Whole Time?

For nearly a century, “reality” has been a murky concept. The laws of quantum physics seem to suggest that particles spend much of their time in a ghostly state, lacking even basic properties such as a definite location and instead existing everywhere and nowhere at once. Only when a particle is measured does it suddenly materialize, appearing to pick its position as if by a roll of the dice.

This idea that nature is inherently probabilistic — that particles have no hard properties, only likelihoods, until they are observed — is directly implied by the standard equations of quantum mechanics. But now a set of surprising experiments with fluids has revived old skepticism about that worldview. The bizarre results are fueling interest in an almost forgotten version of quantum mechanics, one that never gave up the idea of a single, concrete reality.....

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Have We Been Interpreting Quantum Mechanics Wrong This Whole Time?
Dear world class quantum physicists that happen to hang out on a semi-obscure SA IT forum...please stand up and deliver.
 
Fascinating. I've read about the pilot wave model before, but couldn't find much info on it with all of the animosity toward the model.

If this pilot model is indeed true, it explains things like quantum entanglement and wave-collapse in a "sensible" way. But that begins to ask more questions than it solves, like how do we determine the underlying fluid-like structure of space and time?

Exciting times we live in, indeed.
 
More related to the OP:
New math and quantum mechanics: Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy

Summary:
The central mystery of quantum mechanics is that small chunks of matter sometimes seem to behave like particles, sometimes like waves. For most of the past century, the prevailing explanation of this conundrum has been what's called the "Copenhagen interpretation" -- which holds that, in some sense, a single particle really is a wave, smeared out across the universe, that collapses into a determinate location only when observed. But some founders of quantum physics -- notably Louis de Broglie -- championed an alternative interpretation, known as "pilot-wave theory," which posits that quantum particles are borne along on some type of wave. According to pilot-wave theory, the particles have definite trajectories, but because of the pilot wave's influence, they still exhibit wavelike statistics. Now a professor of applied mathematics believes that pilot-wave theory deserves a second look.

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Close-ups of an experiment conducted by John Bush and his student Daniel Harris, in which a bouncing droplet of fluid was propelled across a fluid bath by waves it generated.
Credit: Dan Harris

The central mystery of quantum mechanics is that small chunks of matter sometimes seem to behave like particles, sometimes like waves. For most of the past century, the prevailing explanation of this conundrum has been what's called the "Copenhagen interpretation" -- which holds that, in some sense, a single particle really is a wave, smeared out across the universe, that collapses into a determinate location only when observed.

But some founders of quantum physics -- notably Louis de Broglie -- championed an alternative interpretation, known as "pilot-wave theory," which posits that quantum particles are borne along on some type of wave. According to pilot-wave theory, the particles have definite trajectories, but because of the pilot wave's influence, they still exhibit wavelike statistics.

John Bush, a professor of applied mathematics at MIT, believes that pilot-wave theory deserves a second look. That's because Yves Couder, Emmanuel Fort, and colleagues at the University of Paris Diderot have recently discovered a macroscopic pilot-wave system whose statistical behavior, in certain circumstances, recalls that of quantum systems.

Couder and Fort's system consists of a bath of fluid vibrating at a rate just below the threshold at which waves would start to form on its surface. A droplet of the same fluid is released above the bath; where it strikes the surface, it causes waves to radiate outward. The droplet then begins moving across the bath, propelled by the very waves it creates.

"This system is undoubtedly quantitatively different from quantum mechanics," Bush says. "It's also qualitatively different: There are some features of quantum mechanics that we can't capture, some features of this system that we know aren't present in quantum mechanics. But are they philosophically distinct?"

Tracking trajectories

Bush believes that the Copenhagen interpretation sidesteps the technical challenge of calculating particles' trajectories by denying that they exist. "The key question is whether a real quantum dynamics, of the general form suggested by de Broglie and the walking drops, might underlie quantum statistics," he says. "While undoubtedly complex, it would replace the philosophical vagaries of quantum mechanics with a concrete dynamical theory."
Last year, Bush and one of his students -- Jan Molacek, now at the Max Planck Institute for Dynamics and Self-Organization -- did for their system what the quantum pioneers couldn't do for theirs: They derived an equation relating the dynamics of the pilot waves to the particles' trajectories.

In their work, Bush and Molacek had two advantages over the quantum pioneers, Bush says. First, in the fluidic system, both the bouncing droplet and its guiding wave are plainly visible. If the droplet passes through a slit in a barrier -- as it does in the re-creation of a canonical quantum experiment -- the researchers can accurately determine its location. The only way to perform a measurement on an atomic-scale particle is to strike it with another particle, which changes its velocity.

The second advantage is the relatively recent development of chaos theory. Pioneered by MIT's Edward Lorenz in the 1960s, chaos theory holds that many macroscopic physical systems are so sensitive to initial conditions that, even though they can be described by a deterministic theory, they evolve in unpredictable ways. A weather-system model, for instance, might yield entirely different results if the wind speed at a particular location at a particular time is 10.01 mph or 10.02 mph.

The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic. It's impossible to measure a bouncing droplet's position accurately enough to predict its trajectory very far into the future. But in a recent series of papers, Bush, MIT professor of applied mathematics Ruben Rosales, and graduate students Anand Oza and Dan Harris applied their pilot-wave theory to show how chaotic pilot-wave dynamics leads to the quantumlike statistics observed in their experiments.

What's real?

In a review article appearing in the Annual Review of Fluid Mechanics, Bush explores the connection between Couder's fluidic system and the quantum pilot-wave theories proposed by de Broglie and others.
The Copenhagen interpretation is essentially the assertion that in the quantum realm, there is no description deeper than the statistical one. When a measurement is made on a quantum particle, and the wave form collapses, the determinate state that the particle assumes is totally random. According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the statistics don't just describe the reality; they are the reality.

But despite the ascendancy of the Copenhagen interpretation, the intuition that physical objects, no matter how small, can be in only one location at a time has been difficult for physicists to shake. Albert Einstein, who famously doubted that God plays dice with the universe, worked for a time on what he called a "ghost wave" theory of quantum mechanics, thought to be an elaboration of de Broglie's theory. In his 1976 Nobel Prize lecture, Murray Gell-Mann declared that Niels Bohr, the chief exponent of the Copenhagen interpretation, "brainwashed an entire generation of physicists into believing that the problem had been solved." John Bell, the Irish physicist whose famous theorem is often mistakenly taken to repudiate all "hidden-variable" accounts of quantum mechanics, was, in fact, himself a proponent of pilot-wave theory. "It is a great mystery to me that it was so soundly ignored," he said.

Then there's David Griffiths, a physicist whose "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" is standard in the field. In that book's afterword, Griffiths says that the Copenhagen interpretation "has stood the test of time and emerged unscathed from every experimental challenge." Nonetheless, he concludes, "It is entirely possible that future generations will look back, from the vantage point of a more sophisticated theory, and wonder how we could have been so gullible."

"The work of Yves Couder and the related work of John Bush … provides the possibility of understanding previously incomprehensible quantum phenomena, involving 'wave-particle duality,' in purely classical terms," says Keith Moffatt, a professor emeritus of mathematical physics at Cambridge University. "I think the work is brilliant, one of the most exciting developments in fluid mechanics of the current century."

Journal Reference:
John W.M. Bush. Pilot-Wave Hydrodynamics. Annual Review of Fluid Mechanics, 2014 DOI: 10.1146/annurev-fluid-010814-014506
 
Fascinating debate this, going on for a century.

There is something deeply problematic with the Copenhagen model - how the determinacy of ordinary (Newtonian) physics arises from spatial and temporal indeterminacy.

That the Copenhagen model has survived experimental challenges is not a confirmation itself but merely the absence of a disconfirmation.

It puts me in mind of the Ptolemaic model, which can be used to calculate stellar, planetary and lunar motions with great accuracy to any point in the future, even millennia hence. Though Fr Copernicus developed a purely theoretical heliocentric model, it eventually took new instrumentation to overthrow Ptolemy.

It is quite possible that the same fate awaits the Copenhagen/Bohr model. And it will be interesting to see who clings to the old, and why. Challenges to orthodoxy in whatever field are a wonderful way of smoking out tacit or cryptic philosophical postures.

Interesting times.

Btw, have you seen Mark Levinson's doccie Particle Fever?
 
Fascinating debate this, going on for a century.

There is something deeply problematic with the Copenhagen model - how the determinacy of ordinary (Newtonian) physics arises from spatial and temporal indeterminacy.

That the Copenhagen model has survived experimental challenges is not a confirmation itself but merely the absence of a disconfirmation.

It puts me in mind of the Ptolemaic model, which can be used to calculate stellar, planetary and lunar motions with great accuracy to any point in the future, even millennia hence. Though Fr Copernicus developed a purely theoretical heliocentric model, it eventually took new instrumentation to overthrow Ptolemy.

It is quite possible that the same fate awaits the Copenhagen/Bohr model. And it will be interesting to see who clings to the old, and why. Challenges to orthodoxy in whatever field are a wonderful way of smoking out tacit or cryptic philosophical postures.

Interesting times.

Btw, have you seen Mark Levinson's doccie Particle Fever?
Indeed a fascinating debate this. Thanks for mentioning the film, I will have a look. The Quantum Story by Jim Baggot is a pretty good read if you need something on a long flight :p.

I used to think that the Copenhagen interpretation was incompatible with or negated the principle of causality and was looking for alternative views such as the de Brogile-Bohm view or the Ensemble interpretation. However, after reading about Oderberg's discussion on Aristotelian prime matter and change, there does not appear to be any issue. In fact, I am begining to think that if the de Brogile-Bohm view is correct then some form of determinism can be true and that may be incompatible with the indeterminacy of free will.

But yah, Ptolemy's story is a pretty good story to cure you of any scientism :p.
 
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