HDV editing - hardware question

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the time has come for me to do a serious upgrade!

i'm about to purchase a HD video camera which must have a 1394 port, i dont believe in usb2 for hdv its not a constant 480Mb/s stream - any suggestions on a hdv cam? any comments on the new hdv panasonics? i luv my gs400

the problem i think i'm gonna have is with the editing.

i use edius 4.5 for editing and sonic scenarist 4.1 for dvd authoring - its for semi pro dvd authoring.

i dont like really like adobe products, except photoshop.

my hardware may be a problem, i think my processor and mobo may be the problem? can someone offer some advice? i dont like intel, but if i must...

what i have is:

Software:
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vista x64
edius 4.5
sonic scenarist 4.1

Hardware:
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amd xp 64 6000+
mobo - gigabyte m57sli4
4gig ram
2x hitachi ultrastar 147GB 15K [ RAID 0 ]
2x 8800gts 640MB sli
1x barracuda sata 2 500GB 7.2k
sound blaster xfi platinum
built in 1394

is this enough for HD EDITING?

i'd love to hear from other hdv edius users?

thanks
 
Your Hardware will be enough for the editing ... I recommend though getting yourself a 24" Wide LCD if you want to preview your video in Full HD.
For a video camera ... I recommend the Canon HV-20 ... its a 1080i Video Camera with a 1920x1080 pixel HD CMOS Sensor and its a good price too ... http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Camcorders/High_Definition_HDV/HV20/index.asp
In terms of video editing ... AFAIK, the only consumer suite that allows editing in HD is Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 11 ... I stand to be corrected, but I think so.
Then ofcourse you will want to get a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD Drive ... otherwise you're gonna have a good problem trying to store the video you've captured except on a Hard Drive ... maybe like an MVIX or something.
Anyway ... if you are interested in some pricing through my shop ... contact me either via PM ... or preferably via Direct E-mail ... go to my site and click contact us (not publishing for spam purposes)
 
i got 2 19" lcd's @ 1440x900 do i need a 24" ?

i love panasonic, will have a good look at canon, will pm you if i decide on a canon

both premiere pro cs3 and edius 4.5 offer full hd editing, pinnacle is a bit 'prosumer' for my needs

got a b/ray drive already, sorry for not mentioning it!

will look at your pricing

thanks
 
It depends on what HD format you want to edit in.

SD DV data rate is 3.6MB/sec 25mbit
Sony's HDV 3.6MB/sec (25mbit) - MPEG2 compressed HD (1440 by 1080)
DVC Pro HD 14MB (100 mbit)
Uncompressed HD 120MB per second! :)

If your system can edit DV PAL/NTSC you can do HDV editing. HDV uses MPEG2 compression with the same data rates as DV PAL.

If you wanna edit in uncompressed HD, you'd better have some serious SCSI/RAID
storage which can feed 120MB per second. :)
 
You can edit in HD in Sony Vegas, Pinnacle or Adobe Premiere, on the Windows PC.
On the Mac, it's Final Cut Express and Final Cut Pro. :)
 
PeterCH said:
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If your system can edit DV PAL/NTSC you can do HDV editing. HDV uses MPEG2 compression with the same data rates as DV PAL.
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no. that is only the data transfer rate. has nothing to do with decompression, rendering, effects etc.

you need more power for HDV.

check out something like vegas and visit doom9 forums for info on hardware reqs.
 
rappa said:
i got 2 19" lcd's @ 1440x900 do i need a 24" ?

i love panasonic, will have a good look at canon, will pm you if i decide on a canon
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Panasonic HVX200 full 1920by1080 at 24 fps, progressive :).

The P2 cards are expensive as heck though, still this camera
has an excellent Leica Dicomar lens, optical image stabiliser and 3CCD system. I love the AGDVX100 and this is its big brother :).

You can also record DV on standard MiniDV tape.
For HD you can capture P2 to a portable HD store.
 
arf9999 said:
no. that is only the data transfer rate. has nothing to do with decompression, rendering, effects etc.

you need more power for HDV.

check out something like vegas and visit doom9 forums for info on hardware reqs.
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I'm sure he'll be able to edit in HDV with his specs - with many effects done in real time too.

If you have a slower CPU you'll just be able to do less in real time.
 
my hardware seems to be fine??

my problem is, i know and love a SD panasonic cam, been using it for a few years. its not advice on the hd cam i need, its the hardware!!! do i have enough for hd??

i am gonna try and 'beg, borrow and maybe even steal' a hd cam to test, will let you guys know!!

also, anyone using 'edius' ?????
 
i hope my 2x hitachi ultrastar 147GB 15K [ RAID 0 ] can handle uncompressed HD 120MB per second??? can my cpu and ram??? amd 6000+ and 4gigs ram -vista x64 using edius 4.5

i'm trying to find the weak point on my system b4 i buy a hd cam.

thanks
rappa
 
there is no way in hell you gonna run realtime effects with that rig. maybe some straight edits and mebbe some simple effects like sepia n **** in realtime.

i would throw in some more ram too. like 8Gb if your m/b supports it or just buy a mac.
 
halicon said:
there is no way in hell you gonna run realtime effects with that rig. maybe some straight edits and mebbe some simple effects like sepia n **** in realtime.

i would throw in some more ram too. like 8Gb if your m/b supports it or just buy a mac.
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You can edit HD perfectly fine even with 1GB on a Mac. Sure it's better with more RAM but it's perfectly functional with 1GB.
 
halicon said:
there is no way in hell you gonna run realtime effects with that rig. maybe some straight edits and mebbe some simple effects like sepia n **** in realtime.

i would throw in some more ram too. like 8Gb if your m/b supports it or just buy a mac.
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You can probably do transitions, fade in/outs and simple colour correction in real time on that rig. The other way is that effects are live rendered in worse quality and afterwards you re-render them, like in Final Cut Pro.

Easiest way is to download some HDV footage - even a minute or two and
see how editing of that goes.
 
eitai2001 said:
For a video camera ... I recommend the Canon HV-20 ... its a 1080i Video Camera with a 1920x1080 pixel HD CMOS Sensor and its a good price too ... http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Camcorders/High_Definition_HDV/HV20/index.asp
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No point in paying for a higher resolution sensor if the HDV format can only record 1440 x 1080.

In terms of video editing ... AFAIK, the only consumer suite that allows editing in HD is Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 11 ... I stand to be corrected, but I think so.
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Vegas 10 offers HDV and AVC editing.
 
PeterCH said:
You can edit in HD in Sony Vegas, Pinnacle or Adobe Premiere, on the Windows PC.
On the Mac, it's Final Cut Express and Final Cut Pro. :)
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Oh ok ... I had some customers buy Pinnacle from me saying its the only one that truly supported HD ... I didn't know others worked. I love Sony Vegas
 
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@ Arf

1st Question ... how did you arrive at a video resolution of 1440x1080 ... I've never heard of a video being recorded at that res. The camera records at 1080i which is 1920x1080i if I'm not mistaken. So please tell me how you arrive at 1440?

Effective pixels MOVIE:
HDV: Approx 2.07 megapixels
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This is off Canon's website ... 1920 x 1080 = Approx 2.07 MP ... 1440 x 1080 only = 1.55 MP.

2ndly ... I did not know there was other software that could edit HD ... I had some customers who bought Pinnacle from me and told me it was because they had no other software that can edit in true HD or something like that.
 
rappa said:
i hope my 2x hitachi ultrastar 147GB 15K [ RAID 0 ] can handle uncompressed HD 120MB per second??? can my cpu and ram??? amd 6000+ and 4gigs ram -vista x64 using edius 4.5

i'm trying to find the weak point on my system b4 i buy a hd cam.

thanks
rappa
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Short answer. NO.

You need at least 5 HDD's in RAID 0 for HD. and about 8 in RAID 5.

Look at caldigit.com for some storage solutions.

For some serious info from professionals working in the industry go to creativecow.com, just dont expect quick answers cause most of the posters are on the other side of the world.

It is not easy editing in HDV. You need some serious power to edit properly, lots of compressing and decompressing going on.

Most people, including most of the post-production facilities in cape town that I know of, capture in a format other than HDV (DVCPro50 HD, JPEG2000, prores 422 or uncompressed.
 
eitai2001 said:
@ Arf

1st Question ... how did you arrive at a video resolution of 1440x1080 ... I've never heard of a video being recorded at that res. The camera records at 1080i which is 1920x1080i if I'm not mistaken. So please tell me how you arrive at 1440?



This is off Canon's website ... 1920 x 1080 = Approx 2.07 MP ... 1440 x 1080 only = 1.55 MP.

2ndly ... I did not know there was other software that could edit HD ... I had some customers who bought Pinnacle from me and told me it was because they had no other software that can edit in true HD or something like that.
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Consumer HDV records in 1440 x 1080.
 
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