Hefty fines for unregistered solar users

[wingnut771]

So went and did some education (googling ) on how NRS etc are enforced
It is not as simple as to say NRS is not mentioned in the SANS so therefore it is not illegal.

It actually seem quite convoluted
At a top level standards and specifications are enforced from the OHA and ERA acts
They enable the standards that all installations have to abide by and directly enable the requirements required in municipal bylaws.
NRS is just the specification that all equipment that is connected to the grid has to abide by. So saying it has to feedback into the grid to be relevant is just noise.
As far as I know all the large municipalities have bylaws that require NRS for equipment to be connected to their grids.
JHB, EKH,PTA and COCT all have them
Some bylaws actually go further and reference planning approval as well ( Good Luck Pretoria )

I havent gone and checked Pretoria Bylaws ( I dont care enough as I dont live there ) but I saaw it being referenced a few times

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You see the confusion? They think everything is SSEG when it clearly isn't because only people with rocks for brains would want to do that with their feed in terms. *to ensure safe feed back. We are not feeding back. The stupid Pretoria electricity meter wont allow it unless you upgrade (probably for you cost too).

Looking deeper, they dont even have a policy and yet still want to dictate:


it gets worse:


You see why no one goes grid tied (because they dont have **** for brains) and that they don't have to register their system?

Only thing you need is that SANS compliant CoC for insurance. **** the city. The sheep in Cape Town just roll over and don't fight their commie bylaws like they did with the criminal cleaning levy.

p.s. I remember the feed in tariff being 0.10c

 

[Next Thing]

You see the confusion? They think everything is SSEG when it clearly isn't because only people with rocks for brains would want to do that with their feed in terms. *to ensure safe feed back. We are not feeding back. The stupid Pretoria electricity meter wont allow it unless you upgrade (probably for you cost too).

Looking deeper, they dont even have a policy and yet still want to dictate:
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it gets worse:
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You see why no one goes grid tied (because they dont have **** for brains) and that they don't have to register their system?

Only thing you need is that SANS compliant CoC for insurance. **** the city. The sheep in Cape Town just roll over and don't fight their commie bylaws like they did with the criminal cleaning levy.

You have your definition where SSEG is only SSEG when you feedback. I dont agree this is about just feedback, at least not according to the specifications in place.
Yes they have not enabled feedin, but that is not the question.
The bylaws for connect solar have been around for a while.

NRS defines :





It it just has to generate in parallel to the grid. It doesnt have to feedback.

 

[wingnut771]

You have your definition where SSEG is only SSEG when you feedback. I dont agree this is about just feedback, at least not according to the specifications in place.
Yes they have not enabled feedin, but that is not the question.
The bylaws for connect solar have been around for a while.

NRS defines :

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It it just has to generate in parallel to the grid. It doesnt have to feedback.

Its not me its Pretoria saying it:

 

[denmendez65]

You have your definition where SSEG is only SSEG when you feedback. I dont agree this is about just feedback, at least not according to the specifications in place.
Yes they have not enabled feedin, but that is not the question.
The bylaws for connect solar have been around for a while.

NRS defines :

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It it just has to generate in parallel to the grid. It doesnt have to feedback.

By your own research and definitions it still shows that the Mecer should have been compliant. My Axpert is an Offgrid inverter like the majority of inverters people buy. If you have a true hybrid/grid tied then the "in parallel" thing comes to fruition. We physically cannot feedback no matter what we do as we dont run in parallel with the grid. We pretty much have the same operation as a UPS.

If you have an inverter that can export in any way. Then yes I agree.

 

[denmendez65]

Its not me its Pretoria saying it:
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Which only grid tied and true hybrid inverters can do. The typical Navasolar like Cavedogs or Lupus one (I suspect) are basically glorified UPS that accept PV input.

 

[Lupus]

By your own research and definitions it still shows that the Mecer should have been compliant. My Axpert is an Offgrid inverter like the majority of inverters people buy. If you have a true hybrid/grid tied then the "in parallel" thing comes to fruition. We physically cannot feedback no matter what we do as we dont run in parallel with the grid. We pretty much have the same operation as a UPS.

If you have an inverter that can export in any way. Then yes I agree.

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Problem is they still don't see the Axperts as being free off-grid, as they can charge batteries from the grid and such.

 

[wingnut771]

Which only grid tied and true hybrid inverters can do. The typical Navasolar like Cavedogs or Lupus one (I suspect) are basically glorified UPS that accept PV input.

@Lupus has a Luxpower.

 

[Lupus]

Which only grid tied and true hybrid inverters can do. The typical Navasolar like Cavedogs or Lupus one (I suspect) are basically glorified UPS that accept PV input.

I have a luxpower not a navasolar, batteries are navasolar.

 

[wingnut771]

Problem is they still don't see the Axperts as being free off-grid, as they can charge batteries from the grid and such.

So does a geyser charge off the grid. A UPS charges off the grid. Do you have to register your mecer trolley too? Things that use electricity use the grid. That's what its there for.

 

[denmendez65]

I have a luxpower not a navasolar, batteries are navasolar.

Yes but does yours have an export option? That is what I was alluding to.

 

[Lupus]

So does a geyser charge off the grid. A UPS charges off the grid. Do you have to register your mecer trolley too? Things that use electricity use the grid. That's what its there for.

Sssssh

 

[Lupus]

Yes but does yours have an export option? That is what I was alluding to.

Yes, but it's a separate installation, as it needs a coil or something

 

[wingnut771]

Sssssh

Why haven't you registered your system you criminal? Do you have an illegal CoC you criminal?

 

[wingnut771]

Yes, but it's a separate installation, as it needs a coil or something

and you need a meter that can back feed. Does your meter backfeed?

 

[denmendez65]

Problem is they still don't see the Axperts as being free off-grid, as they can charge batteries from the grid and such.

It's tricky with the wording. Mine is a true offgrid inverter so when it used to charge from the grid the load would get supplied by the grid also. When the battery was full it would cut the grid off completely and the load would get supplied by the inverter only.

The blending stuff on the fancier inverters is where I suspect that clause about running in parallel comes in. Mine can't run in parallel and does no synching at all.

 

[Lupus]

and you need a meter that can back feed. Does your meter backfeed?

Technically yes, they installed one a few years ago, the CP guy was even like hey you have solar and no other questions.

 

[Lupus]

It's tricky with the wording. Mine is a true offgrid inverter so when it used to charge from the grid the load would get supplied by the grid also. When the battery was full it would cut the grid off completely and the load would get supplied by the inverter only.

The blending stuff on the fancier inverters is where I suspect that clause about running in parallel comes in. Mine can't run in parallel and does no synching at all.

I know, I had an Axpert and it could blend from the grid and solar, which technically this does the same it can use both solar and grid to charge the batteries or run the house.

 

[wingnut771]

Yes, but it's a separate installation, as it needs a coil or something

AI says that its built into the inverter and that the inverter needs to be installed between meter and DB. Try setting export mode and see if you can backfeed your meter.

 

[denmendez65]

So does a geyser charge off the grid. A UPS charges off the grid. Do you have to register your mecer trolley too? Things that use electricity use the grid. That's what its there for.

A UPS doesnt blend if I am not mistaken. Its either supplying from its own AC or the Grid. Never both. I think that is the primary difference between UPS and the hybrid/grid tied inverters and why the UPS and Offgrid inverter is similar.

 

[wingnut771]

It's tricky with the wording. Mine is a true offgrid inverter so when it used to charge from the grid the load would get supplied by the grid also. When the battery was full it would cut the grid off completely and the load would get supplied by the inverter only.

The blending stuff on the fancier inverters is where I suspect that clause about running in parallel comes in. Mine can't run in parallel and does no synching at all.

AI says that the relay on the offgrid inverter has to fail for it to backfeed (for 1s when it powers the street and then trips).