Hellkom hosted overseas

[Sneeky]

Was just reading on http://Hellkom.co.za that the site has moved overseas once again due to the high local bandwidth costs.
It’s a shame for South Africa but then this phenomenon must be part of the DoC’s master plan, a shrinking local market.
There’s no real benefit to having it local anyway seeing as though there is a hard cap on all traffic.
The economics provide a big enough reason to move offshore for anyone and no amount of patriotism can override that when you just do not have the ridiculous amounts of liquid capital required to host locally.

From Hellkom

By the way, Hellkom is hosted overseas - again - as a direct result of the high bandwidth costs from Telkom. This site only uses around 6GB/mo yet that would cost, at the cheapest host, R540/mo at 9c/MB. For a chuckle, check out this price on Godaddy of the Premium plan ---- 1,000GB for R120. Local is lekker? Not if Telkom has anything to say about it!

Also, no isp's willing to sponsor this amount of bandwidth for a good cause, thats a shame to, but one can understand that it is expensive.

 

[stoke]

How many websites run by "look like me"'s are there ?

For now it suits the "look like me" minster fine to force peeps to host overseas.

When the "look like me" minister decides that there are enough people that "look like her" ready to setup websites, then she'll force local hosting to be affordable [probably only for those that "look like her" - like the teklom shares].

Until then - there is no way on earth that she'll make it easy for the rest to get a head start, cos she deems that unfair.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Im glad they have taken their business overseas. I do the same and all those who advocate local hosting need to rethink.

The bottom line is the pros far outweigh the cons IMO.

 

[Moederloos]

I say that it is in the best interests of South Africa for people to host overseas. Only when the financial drain becomes significant will there be any outcry. And, it is in the best interests of SA for Telkom to lose as much revenue as possible as well - death to the beast.


Just look at the bandwidth costs on the Hetzner web site and compare Germany to SA costs.

 

[GavinMannion]

When the "look like me" minister decides that there are enough people that "look like her" ready to setup websites, then she'll force local hosting to be affordable

Seriously stoke, does virtually 80% of your posting have to be racist.

You can try hide it as much as you want but it is plain to see.

You will get further if you started posting more about the points and less about the colour and making childish personal attacks.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

actually gavin stoke is quoting what our communications minister said she said it herself that she will not support it if ppl dont look like her

 

[bwana]

As nice as it would be to host locally it simply costs too much.

 

[ernstn]

I am sure Telkom could not care less where Hellkom is hosted, in fact I think that they very much would like that wonderful site to disappear from the face of the earth, because of all the embaressment it has caused them!

 

[MaD]

Yes at the moment there is no incentive to host a site locally other than to support the local ISP's, as local/international bandwidth is now essentially the same price thanks to good ol' Telkom. Hellkom is still hosted by Hetzner though so not entirely by an overseas company.. the site may return to SA soon, but with a couple of new features in the pipeline and almost complete, the bandwidth usage may increase quite dramatically, and even the 15GB limit I have at the moment may be too little.. will see..

 

[stoke]

Seriously stoke, does virtually 80% of your posting have to be racist.

You can try hide it as much as you want but it is plain to see.

You will get further if you started posting more about the points and less about the colour and making childish personal attacks.

Just the facts dude. You should research our esteem'd minister IVY a bit.

 

[charl.voster]

what should a good SA hosting option of R99pm look like? BW and disk space & services?

 

[MaD]

what should a good SA hosting option of R99pm look like? BW and disk space & services?

'should' is a contentious word to use, as at the moment hosts don't have much of an option but to charge what they do for bandwidth. The cheapest over-quota prices I've seen is 9c/MB, from Hetzner.

For R99/mo, at least 5GB's would be nice. A great many people would never reach that anyway, but rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.. that's my school of thought when it comes to these things anyway.

What would also be nice is less conservativeness with packages.. why must one buy a high-end packages just to get 1 or two extra MySQL databases, or PHP etc. The local hosts not only need to be competitive with their bandwidth prices, but also their features. The hosts abroad have tons of features for a fraction of the price - and multiples more bandwidth too. Even Webafrica sells 1GB for R20 on their US servers.. 20 bucks a gig.. it's not the cheapest but far from the most expensive. I've chatted with a mate who buys terabytes of transfer for less than I would pay for a 2GB adsl account.

w1z4rd pointed these guys out to me just now - http://www.backboneit.co.za/ - nice prices, nice features.. all we need is cpanel and maybe fantastico and R99 would be a perfect price

 

[Turtle]

Seriously stoke, does virtually 80% of your posting have to be racist.

Gavin, our minister of communications is the one who is racist. She practically stated publicly that only black people must be allowed to succeed in the telecomms industry AND implied that her policies are motivated by this drive. I don't see how pointing out how someone else is (provably and openly) a racist by quoting their own comments makes stoke one too.

 

[GavinMannion]

I had totally forgotten about this thread until someone recently (well actually a long time ago I just didn't notice) brought it back to my attention.

I have PM'd the two people concerned and explained in detail why my outburst occured, but to the rest of you I would just like to put on the record.

It was incorrect for me to attack someone I don't even know without looking up the correct facts in the first place.

So Stokes, please accept my apologies.

 

[stoke]

Gavin bru ... don't be silly ... any response is better than sitting idly and doing nothing.
To me your apology was unnecessary - all part of the whole communication thing.
Thanks anyways though .