High ISO noise

Dolby

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Canon 7D has 4 built in noise reduction - off, low, standard and strong. I've generally been using the standard settings - but I've just got Noise Ninja which is quite good I understand.

Should I leave the camera off - and use NN for the noise?
Or use them both at the same time?

EDIT : When I open a CR2 photo in PSE10, it opens a window Camera Raw 6.6 .... with it's own noise reduction :/ Do I not touch that and use NN plug in rather?
 
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Canon's in camera noise reduction only effects jpg.
 
Most of my shots are JPEG - just had a few RAW images and wanted to see.

What do you usually do?
If I remember, you've got NN as well?
 
Most of my shots are JPEG - just had a few RAW images and wanted to see.

What do you usually do?
If I remember, you've got NN as well?
Switch to the 1Dmk3 ;)

Generally I don't have much time to PP when I'm shooting JPG so I rely on the in-camera NR which is set to standard. Strong makes the images a little too soft for my liking.

On the other hand if I've got time on my hands then I'm probably shooting in RAW for tricky lighting situations so I run them through DFine in Aperture.
 
Grant, seriously dude.

You have a pretty cool camera with a pretty awesome lens, the combination most amateurs could only dream of yet you shoot .jpg?

It's a bit like only shooting in the missionary position when there are countless other ways to get a better and more satisfying result.

What I'm saying is give the RAW unbridled passion a chance!
 
Most of my shots are JPEG - just had a few RAW images and wanted to see.
Fair enough. Too many people use RAW as a crutch for bad technique. Fixing it in post will only take you so far but if you can master JPG then RAW will take you to the next level.
 
Grant, seriously dude.

You have a pretty cool camera with a pretty awesome lens, the combination most amateurs could only dream of yet you shoot .jpg?

It's a bit like only shooting in the missionary position when there are countless other ways to get a better and more satisfying result.

What I'm saying is give the RAW unbridled passion a chance!

+1

I always use RAW, You get that one well timed picture and its a bit too overexposed, RAW is a lifesaver!
 
What I'm saying is give the RAW unbridled passion a chance!

LOL!

I've shot a few in RAW, but it really doesn't seem to make that much of a difference?
I'll go back and try the RAW files I do have, but JPG hasn't really let me down?

Unless I'm doing something really wrong :/
 
LOL!

I've shot a few in RAW, but it really doesn't seem to make that much of a difference?
I'll go back and try the RAW files I do have, but JPG hasn't really let me down?

Unless I'm doing something really wrong :/
There are obvious advantages to shooting in RAW but you need to ask yourself if the pros outweigh the cons. You'll get a higher dynamic range and you can make adjustments such as white balance without degrading the image but you'll have to work with larger files. Each time I shoot I ask myself if the juice is going to be worth the squeeze and go from there.

If I'm shooting 1000+ images at a rugby match, or 2000+ covering cricket, there's no way I'm going near the RAW switch, at least until the end of match presentations when I might only take a dozen pics. :)
 
Ok - I'm going to ask a silly question again ...

cr2.jpg


This is what I see when I open double click my CR2 - and once I've set these sliders to what I want, I click 'OK' and it open in PSE as a JPEG I think? I then can set the same things ... saturation, contrast, brightness etc anyhow?

I understand the the technical difference, and I'm trying to understand the real difference
 
Ok - I'm going to ask a silly question again ...

This is what I see when I open double click my CR2 - and once I've set these sliders to what I want, I click 'OK' and it open in PSE as a JPEG I think? I then can set the same things ... saturation, contrast, brightness etc anyhow?

I understand the the technical difference, and I'm trying to understand the real difference

Bwana has answered this question. JPEG has 8-bits per channel*, RAW has between 12 and 14, depending on the camera. This is upscaled to 16-bit per channel by the RAW converter. As your screen is 8-bit (or 6-bit if you're using an LCD with a TN panel), you're not going to see the difference in dynamic range until you start adjusting the colours.

There are obvious advantages to shooting in RAW but you need to ask yourself if the pros outweigh the cons. You'll get a higher dynamic range and you can make adjustments such as white balance without degrading the image but you'll have to work with larger files. Each time I shoot I ask myself if the juice is going to be worth the squeeze and go from there.

*channel: one of R, G or B
 
All good info, in the spirit of "giving back" here is a summary of something that confused the hell out of me some years ago.

1.) When you shoot a picture the image sensor captures the energy level on each photo site and records them into a file. This is basically what a RAW file records. The resulting data is a black and white logarithmic matrix of exposure information stored in a TIFF like format.

2.) To turn this information into a color image your camera processes this data using the algorithms provided by the manufacturer while applying the in camera setting you have chosen like color space, contrast and white balance.

3.) Finally the result is saved to your memory card, either as a JPG where the initial raw capture is discarded and a compressed rendering of the final image is stored. Alternatively if you choose RAW the pure energy data is stored with a copy of the JPG and sometimes some meta data.

Most of the time your cameras processing engine does a good job and the resulting JPG image is fine. But sometimes, it doesn't, for example the white balance is off or the 8 bits of exposure data it chose out of the available 14 to 16 bits resulted in an under / overexposed image. In which case having the original raw capture gives you the flexibility to re-process the image with updated settings.

Since a raw image records the light energy glimpsed by your sensor over a fraction of time only a few camera settings affect the recorded light levels (and therefore cannot be changed after the shutter is released). These include.

- Shutter speed
- Aperture
- ISO
- Focus
- Nature (Subject, light levels, composition etc.)
- Your camera / lenses physical characteristics

Everything else is up for grabs. You noise reduction setting is a tradeoff between sharpness and noise, shooting raw will allow you to adjust this iteratively on a big screen.

Some not so obvious implications:

1. RAW engines get better over time, for example noise correction was terrible on most cameras a few years ago with noise ninja or Lightroom 3 noise is almost a non issue. Re-processes you pics over time.
2. As a rule (therefore there are exceptions) RAW engines throw away your in-camera settings. You need to re-implement them in software if you want your images to match the onscreen preview.
2. Not all RAW engine are the same. For example Adobe Camera RAW does a great job of processing Canon images but lacks Nikons secret sauce when it comes to complicated color and gamma. You might want to play with variety of raw engines over time.
2. Your image preview, histograms and readouts are based on the processed JPG not your raw image data. Adjusting contrast for example will change what your histogram looks like but has no affect on your raw capture. I don't mess with these setting in camera so avoid over compensating one way or the other.

Advice:

Change to RAW now, hard drives get cheaper every year I regret years of images I shot JPG which could have been saved. At worst you get what your camera chose for you.

If nothing else you will have more control over exposure (dynamic range) , white balance and noise shooting raw.

The only negative I see to shooting raw is a complicated workflow, programs like Adobe Lightroom or Apple Aperture solve this problem. Aperture is $79, and Lightroom as just been re-priced to $150. A fraction of the cost of a 7D.

Brett
 
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