Home Automation - Smartkit

Similarly if you have a light called “bedside” inside Simon’s room and you say “turn of Simon’s bedside light” it will have no clue what this is…even though to any real human person this makes perfect sense.

So basically Alexa wants you to think and behave like a robot. Siri understands you are human and that different humans will speak differently, with context awareness.
 
It turns off the lounge .

No error at all

And you said “Simon’s Room” while it is still named “Simon” only?

What exact phrase do you say?

Note I’m saying “turn off the lights in Simon’s room” not “turn off Simon’s room” because only a robot speaks like that and I only want the lights off not everything.
 
And you said “Simon’s Room” while it is still named “Simon” only?

What exact phrase do you say?

Note I’m saying “turn off the lights in Simon’s room” not “turn off Simon’s room” because only a robot speaks like that and I only want the lights off not everything.
I’ve tried the group as ‘Simon’ and ‘Simon’s Room’ - they both do the same thing :

If I say ‘Alexa, turn on the lights in Simon’s room’ … it switches the light on.
 
I’ve tried the group as ‘Simon’ and ‘Simon’s Room’ - they both do the same thing :

If I say ‘Alexa, turn on the lights in Simon’s room’ … it switches the light on.

Well evidently yours went to Private School because mine simply does not comply unless I literally call it “Simon’s Room”.

And when I do that I can’t say “turn off Simon’s lights” again because now it expects me to force room in there.
 
Well evidently yours went to Private School because mine simply does not comply unless I literally call it “Simon’s Room”.

And when I do that I can’t say “turn off Simon’s lights” again because now it expects me to force room in there.
Not it should make any difference because of the processing in the cloud - but which one?

I'm still using a 3rd generation Dot
 
Not it should make any difference because of the processing in the cloud - but which one?

I'm still using a 3rd generation Dot

These are brand new Echo Dot 5th gens.

Thanks for testing, I’ll spend some time in the morning talking to the robot and see what I can replicate.

Are you on the SA Alexa program? How would one even know?
 
Thanks for testing, I’ll spend some time in the morning talking to the robot and see what I can replicate.
No stress .

I'd take a video of it to make sure I'm doing 100% as you are asking, but I don't want my voice on the Internet .
Are you on the SA Alexa program? How would one even know?
I have no idea ... I got the initial Dots before Alexa was available here, but I'm almost sure I managed to change them to SA somehow. But it has been a while - so I can't even guarantee .
 
No stress .

I'd take a video of it to make sure I'm doing 100% as you are asking, but I don't want my voice on the Internet .

I have no idea ... I got the initial Dots before Alexa was available here, but I'm almost sure I managed to change them to SA somehow. But it has been a while - so I can't even guarantee .

Only thing I can change is the language from US to UK and then it tells me this isn’t supported in your country.
 
It’s utterly insane to me that I need to put “Room” in the name of Groups because Alexa is too stupid to put two and two together.

If my kid’s room is just named “Kid” and I say “turn off the lights in Kid’s room” I just get told sorry there’s no group like that.

How do people reckon this is good or better even?

In contrast Homekit knows it’s a room and doesn’t need to be actively told with perfect phrases how to do this ****.

I literally feel you need to drip feed Alexa every step of the way to make it work where Siri/HomeKit simply works organically with no deeper intervention.

It’s like everything is treated individually and there is no hierarchy or links between stuff whatsoever.

There’s also nothing clever stripping names away for things inside the same area.

So if it’s Simon’s Room then everything inside needs to be called Simon Bedside light, Simon Fan, Simon Light Strip, otherwise you can’t find it in the main list and you also can’t really use it.

HomeKit you make things similarly but it’s displayed intelligently. So you don’t need to say “Simon’s Room” but just “Simon” because it already knows it’s a room. And then it shows that as “Light Strip” or “Bedside” or whatever inside that grouping even though it’s named as “Simon Light Strip”.

So when you say “turn off all the lights in Simon’s Room” it uses its brain and does that instead of telling you a pre-made group like that doesn’t exist.

Am I missing something deeply obvious here? Or is Alexa just thar dumb that it expect me to manually create every little thing for it to make it work?

It is honestly easier to pull the app out and do it there than argue with the thing every time. And don’t even get me started on how idiotic the app structure is either…
I have to say, to me it make logical sense to add the "room" to the group name. Developers probably thought the same thing.

Where have you provided feedback to Alexa to have your way also work?
 
I have to say, to me it make logical sense to add the "room" to the group name. Developers probably thought the same thing.

Where have you provided feedback to Alexa to have your way also work?
Why don’t you try ?

We’re getting different results
 
I have to say, to me it make logical sense to add the "room" to the group name. Developers probably thought the same thing.

Where have you provided feedback to Alexa to have your way also work?

It seems it’s a “just me” problem at this point so I need to do some active testing first before I provide any feedback anywhere.
 
It seems it’s a “just me” problem at this point so I need to do some active testing first before I provide any feedback anywhere.
Look it might not be just you. But I do think you need to provide feedback to the Alexa team if you want to see change(read, improvement).

My feedback is not a me vs you or us vs you. Its more about, how to actively get change you want. The company I work for, use this all the time. The mantra is, we want feedback, but if you dont give feedback we cant help you. Remember, Alexa is not a SA company, its international so you should expect better from them than SA companies when you provide feedback and ask for improvement.
 
Look it might not be just you. But I do think you need to provide feedback to the Alexa team if you want to see change(read, improvement).

Yeah but what I mean is according to Dolby it does work like I expect it to work.

Will take some time to talk to it later today in all the various combinations I can think of.
 
Yeah but what I mean is according to Dolby it does work like I expect it to work.

Will take some time to talk to it later today in all the various combinations I can think of.
That’s why I want him (or someone else) to double check me
 
No I definitely have to say “turn off the lights in Simon” if it’s not specifically named Simon’s Room.

Ran through it a couple of times now and it just tells me sorry the group doesn’t exist.

When I rename it to “Simon’s Room” then I can use the phrase “turn on the lights in Simon’s Room”.

However if I say “turn on the bedside light in Simon’s room” it fails again telling me a group for bedside light doesn’t exist.

The light is simply named “Simon Bedside”.

If I say “turn on the bedside light” considering it’s standing right next to the Echo Dot and is grouped in the same group it works…but turns on our bedside lights which are names in the same way.

And if you don’t name individual things with the rooms they are in then it’s impossible to use the Favourites buttons as they’ll all be named the same as there is no indication of which room things are in.

So I need to call things by their name exactly and give them entirely unique names which might seem logical or reasonable, but it’s a very robotic way of speaking very exact phrases when you consider all of the above works interchangeably with Siri/Homekit and doesn’t ever fail as it just gets the job done.

I’ll have to go see if there’s some guideline for naming your stuff in Alexa.
 
You do get MMwave sensors that can detect people sitting very still and where they are in the room, would love to play with one of them but they are a bit expensive as something to just play with casually
Check this MMWave ... it asys it detects a blink, but for R227.00 ... I'm not sure

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It's Zigbee - surely a Zigbee certified hub would work ?
Amazon Echo ? or even the USB Sonoff or other brands ?

I certainly hope so. Was just calling out that the image showed it needing a TUYA hub specifically as opposed to a Zigbee hub
 
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