How much should year PTY LTD audits cost?

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Ok seeing as CC's are history I might be forced to jump into a Private Company.
But the law requires a private company to submit audited returns every year. I've gotten wildly varying estimates from bean counters so far. Whats the norm?
It'll be quite a simple job though, just an investment holding company that will trade once in a while.
 
http://www.cipc.co.za/CC.aspx
•No new close corporations will be registered from the 1st of May 2011, but new companies can be registered. For more information on New Company registrations click here.
•No company conversions to close corporations will be registered.
•Provision has also been made for close corporations to convert to companies without any payment in terms of the New Companies Act.
 
I have no Idea. I want to start a business and have to weigh up the options for a PTY or a sole proprietor.
It would be great to know.
 
I think there is something specified though that if you are the sole shareholder in a private company and the sole director, then you don't need audited financials, only need to submit information similar to a CC. You might need to dig a bit, but I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere in an article about the new companies act and its implications...
 
I think there is something specified though that if you are the sole shareholder in a private company and the sole director, then you don't need audited financials, only need to submit information similar to a CC. You might need to dig a bit, but I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere in an article about the new companies act and its implications...
I'd like to find more info on this but it's surprisingly hard to find.
There'll be about 4 shareholders though so it doesn't matter too much.
 
You can now start a PTY LYD without having to be audited yearly. With the recent changes there are now different categories your company falls into which would determine if you need to be audited.
 
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I'd like to find more info on this but it's surprisingly hard to find.
There'll be about 4 shareholders though so it doesn't matter too much.
+10

Its very hard to find any information. And Cipro never answer the phone or have not responded to my e-mails.
 
You can now start a PTY LYD without having to be audited yearly. With the recent changes there are now different categories your company falls into which would determine if you need to be audited.

This.

It is not a requirement for all private companies to be audited.
 
You can now start a PTY LYD without having to be audited yearly. With the recent changes there are now different categories your company falls into which would determine if you need to be audited.
Link please

All depends on your turnover.

10mil turnover will be about 50 000
I wish. No it won't be nearly that much.
 
Depending on the size it could range between R15 000 and R30 000, but that also depends on the firm. Seeing as you say it only trades once in a while I would estimate it to be around the R15 000 - R20 000 mark, at least for a medium sized firm doing the audit.
 
Also depends on your PIS... :)

Public interest score -

http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global[_id]=62478
INITIAL complications are to be expected as companies and close corporations (CCs) try to work out how to calculate public interest scores (PIS) in the new Companies Act and interpret the regulations.

Ian Scott of accounting firm Grant Thornton says the new Act includes a PIS calculation that determines what report these entities need in the future, unless they hold assets in a fiduciary capacity with an aggregate value of over R5 million, in which case an audit is needed.

“The new Act also brings increased regulation to close corporations as their PIS calculations are subject to the same criteria as companies, although the outcomes are different.”

The regulations provide for both activity and size criteria to determine whether companies or close corporations require audited financial statements.

The regulations state that every entity is required to calculate its PIS at the end of each financial year and the score is calculated as the sum of the following:

• A number of points equal to the average number of employees of the company during the financial year

• One point for every R1 million (or portion thereof) in third-party liabilities at year end (these exclude shareholder loans and inter-company loans with common shareholdings)

• One point for every R1 million (or portion thereof) in turnover during the financial year

• One point for every individual who, at the end of the financial year, is known by the company to directly or indirectly have a beneficial interest in the business

If a close corporation has a PIS score below 100 it requires an accounting officer’s report, just as it did previously.

“If the score is between 100 and 350, it would appear that close corporations need an accounting officer’s report, if the financial statements were externally prepared, but these organisations will require an audit if statements are internally prepared,” says Scott.

A close corporation with a score over 350 requires an audit and these statutory audits are restricted to registered auditors only.

For companies with a score below 100 an independent review is required if it is not owner-managed.

However, if the company is owner-managed then there is no requirement for outside professional assistance.

If a company is not owner-managed and obtains a PIS score of 100 to 350, then an audit is required if internally compiled, or an independent review if externally compiled. On the other hand, if the company is owner-managed with a score of 100-350, no professional intervention is required if reports are externally compiled, but an audit will be needed if internally compiled.

If a company scores over 350 points, an audit is required regardless of whether the company is owner-managed or not.

“What this means has not been understood by many and it is going to cause some nasty surprises,” says Scott.

“Internally compiled is being interpreted by experts as meaning the preparation of books up to trial balance, including determination of accounting policies, and not just the preparation of year-end financial statements.

“It would therefore appear that outside professional assistance is required in order to avoid having financial statements ‘internally compiled’,” he warns. — WR.
 
Depending on the size it could range between R15 000 and R30 000, but that also depends on the firm. Seeing as you say it only trades once in a while I would estimate it to be around the R15 000 - R20 000 mark, at least for a medium sized firm doing the audit.
Cool thanks. Steep.

Also depends on your PIS... :)

Public interest score -

http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global[_id]=62478
Ok I'll have to wrap my head around this one. So essentially, if the company is small enough I might not have to throw money at auditors.
 
Is it just me or does it seem like CIPRO and co are trying to make it too difficult and expensive for a person to start a legitimate small business with an initial small turnover. No sane person would start a business as sole proprietor as that is extremely risky, and is just asking for trouble.
 
Cool thanks. Steep.


Ok I'll have to wrap my head around this one. So essentially, if the company is small enough I might not have to throw money at auditors.

I'm not too clued up on the latest changes, but essentially -

1) if your PIS is less than 100, only an independent review is needed, not an audit
2) if your PIS is less than 100 and your company is "owner managed" (shareholders = directors), then an independent review is not even necessary - If I understand correctly you can use any accountant registered with SAIPA (much cheaper than auditors)

Your cost would most likely come down to R5,000 or less.
 
Is it just me or does it seem like CIPRO and co are trying to make it too difficult and expensive for a person to start a legitimate small business with an initial small turnover. No sane person would start a business as sole proprietor as that is extremely risky, and is just asking for trouble.

Hex , I read this a lot. Why is it so more risky than the other business entities? Yes, you are personally liable as a sp, but I would imagine that a CC aint going to be that different as the banks would require you to sign peronal liability anyways, maybe even your suppliers? And now directors are extremely liable, even to the extent that they could be criminally liable for certain business practices.

What am I missing?
 
Ok seeing as CC's are history I might be forced to jump into a Private Company.
But the law requires a private company to submit audited returns every year. I've gotten wildly varying estimates from bean counters so far. Whats the norm?
It'll be quite a simple job though, just an investment holding company that will trade once in a while.

1. If your CC is registered already why make the move?

2. Why not just be a sole proprietor?

Hard to help without knowing more info.
 
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