How things might pan out in Zim

StrongTurd

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Predicting the outcome of the Zim crisis without a crystal ball is obviously an educated guess at best. Here's my attempt:

The ZEC will soon finish their vote-rigging operation and will then make public their results. At this point it might go one of two ways: One, they can claim an outright victory for Zanu-PF or two they can claim that the results do not indicate a clear victor and that a follow-on poll is required.

I personally feel that they'll go for option 2 at this point. Seeing that it is an open secret that the MDC won by a landslide, going for option 1 will be too much of a blatant lie for even the most ignorant of observer to stomach. IMHO they don't have much of a choice but to go for option 2.

After the announcement of the date of the follow-on election, we'll be witness to intimidation, torture and murder on a far larger scale than was evident during the first elections. Together with this, the elections will be rigged even more than before. It is doubtful that election results will again be posted outside polling stations as this practice obviously makes rigging more difficult. Instead, results will be rigged from a central location. When the results are announced, it will indicate a clear majority for Mugabe.

At this point the MDC might start rioting in the streets. Mugabe will immediately announce a state of emergency, giving him absolute power. He'll use the violence and rioting in the streets as a pretext for this state of emergency and will justify his announcement as an absolute necessity in order to maintain law and order. The security forces will respond with deadly force using their newly-acquired stash of weapons that we (South Africa) are currently shipping up to them from Durban.

Tswangirai will be arrested for high treason and will be imprisoned after a farce trial. At this point the outside world will start making loud protests and might even impose general (not targetted) sanctions on Zim. Predictably these sanctions will have very little effect because none of the SADC members will enforce them. China will likewise not utter a word and will continue supporting Mugabe in exchange for raw minerals.

The flood of refugees out of Zim into South Africa will increase even more at this point. Another million or two illegals will cross the border into South Africa. T-bone will maintain his quiet diplomacy and will be seen walking hand in hand with Mugabe through the streets of Harare.

I think it is extremely doubtful that the UN Security Council will do anything concrete like invading Zim. Instead, they might make a lot of noise and intensify sanctions. Mugabe, meanwhile, will launch another genocide similar to the one in the early 80s in Matabeleland. Thousands of people will die. The world will do nothing. When Zuma takes over the presidency of SA, there might be more vocal resistance to Zanu-PF but nothing drastic like an invasion will happen. Relationships between Zanu-PF and the ANC might chill somewhat.

Mugabe will definitely not be stupid enough to hold another election in five year's time if he was not guaranteed a victory. For this purpose it is conceivable that he'll ban the MDC (he'll use the post-election violence as an excuse for this) and will thus become a proper dictator without even the illusion of democracy.

The end result is that Mugabe will remain in power until he dies of natural causes in a South African hospital. His death might leave a power vacuum with the heads of the security forces fighting amongst each other for control. This might escalate into full-scale civil war. This could destabilise the entire region.
 
I have faith in Sweden intervening militarily to stop the slaughter :cool:
 
I think he's implying that only the US of A has the guts to step in and help a country when the **** hits the fan.
 
You're derailing my thread, Mr. Alan. So far the USA has done little more than f**kall to help the people of Zimbabwe. If they are so concerned about spreading democracy then why have they not acted on this outrage long ago?
 
You're derailing my thread, Mr. Alan. So far the USA has done little more than f**kall to help the people of Zimbabwe. If they are so concerned about spreading democracy then why have they not acted on this outrage long ago?

Don't worry I'm sure tobacco will be in vogue like rice was in the '60s and they'll come and kick down BoB's door.
 
You're derailing my thread, Mr. Alan. So far the USA has done little more than f**kall to help the people of Zimbabwe. If they are so concerned about spreading democracy then why have they not acted on this outrage long ago?

The remaining Zimbabweans have not the education to build nukes, and Zim has no oil reserves.
 
Don't worry I'm sure tobacco will be in vogue like rice was in the '60s and they'll come and kick down BoB's door.

Alan, your posts on this thread are irritating at best. Why don't you try and contribute something constructive? I'd like to hear how you think events will unfold in Zim.
 
Scary prediction - i can almost see it becoming true...
Lets hope not..

Mugabe i feel has no more control in whats going on. There were newspaper reports stating that he admitted losing (not sure if these were 100% true), but if thats the case then its pretty clear that his military under him have taken him hostage in a sense knowing full well that if he steps down, they will be out of a job and possibly a place to live. They will obviously not let that happen.
Maybe bob finally has had enough but cant do anything about it now, hes a pawn in this game that he started.

Just a thought, obviously i could be completely wrong and friendly bob is still calling all the shots.
 
Predicting the outcome of the Zim crisis without a crystal ball is obviously an educated guess at best. Here's my attempt:

The ZEC will soon finish their vote-rigging operation and will then make public their results. At this point it might go one of two ways: One, they can claim an outright victory for Zanu-PF or two they can claim that the results do not indicate a clear victor and that a follow-on poll is required.

I personally feel that they'll go for option 2 at this point. Seeing that it is an open secret that the MDC won by a landslide, going for option 1 will be too much of a blatant lie for even the most ignorant of observer to stomach. IMHO they don't have much of a choice but to go for option 2.

After the announcement of the date of the follow-on election, we'll be witness to intimidation, torture and murder on a far larger scale than was evident during the first elections. Together with this, the elections will be rigged even more than before. It is doubtful that election results will again be posted outside polling stations as this practice obviously makes rigging more difficult. Instead, results will be rigged from a central location. When the results are announced, it will indicate a clear majority for Mugabe.

At this point the MDC might start rioting in the streets. Mugabe will immediately announce a state of emergency, giving him absolute power. He'll use the violence and rioting in the streets as a pretext for this state of emergency and will justify his announcement as an absolute necessity in order to maintain law and order. The security forces will respond with deadly force using their newly-acquired stash of weapons that we (South Africa) are currently shipping up to them from Durban.

Tswangirai will be arrested for high treason and will be imprisoned after a farce trial. At this point the outside world will start making loud protests and might even impose general (not targetted) sanctions on Zim. Predictably these sanctions will have very little effect because none of the SADC members will enforce them. China will likewise not utter a word and will continue supporting Mugabe in exchange for raw minerals.

The flood of refugees out of Zim into South Africa will increase even more at this point. Another million or two illegals will cross the border into South Africa. T-bone will maintain his quiet diplomacy and will be seen walking hand in hand with Mugabe through the streets of Harare.

I think it is extremely doubtful that the UN Security Council will do anything concrete like invading Zim. Instead, they might make a lot of noise and intensify sanctions. Mugabe, meanwhile, will launch another genocide similar to the one in the early 80s in Matabeleland. Thousands of people will die. The world will do nothing. When Zuma takes over the presidency of SA, there might be more vocal resistance to Zanu-PF but nothing drastic like an invasion will happen. Relationships between Zanu-PF and the ANC might chill somewhat.

Mugabe will definitely not be stupid enough to hold another election in five year's time if he was not guaranteed a victory. For this purpose it is conceivable that he'll ban the MDC (he'll use the post-election violence as an excuse for this) and will thus become a proper dictator without even the illusion of democracy.

The end result is that Mugabe will remain in power until he dies of natural causes in a South African hospital. His death might leave a power vacuum with the heads of the security forces fighting amongst each other for control. This might escalate into full-scale civil war. This could destabilise the entire region.

That sounds about right.
 
There will be a spike of violence... mad BoB will win the recount.... things will return to much like they were before because the MDC seem rather impotent. After all they called for a strike and nobody downed tools the other day and the U.N will do nothing as usual. Ironic that S.A chairs the security council this month :o

Mad BoB will cling onto power until he dies and will be replaced by one of his cronies with much the same policies. Infighting breaking out over his successor within Zanu PF is a real possibility.
 
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Spot-on prediction, Turd. Things are quite predictable in Africa, always have been... and the summary you provided clearly lists the most likely chain of events for doomed Zim.
 
The Vampire Government of Zimbabwe has no more White Farmers to blame for it's inadequacies, so now it will turn on it's own people probably blaming all MDC Supporters as Traitors to The State.
I tend to agree with StrongTurd that it is likely that Tsvangarai will be charged with Treason in some bogus mishmash Court Case and it seems there is evidence of a Treason Charge already. See Mugabe rival accused of treason.
Tsvangarai's best bet is to stay out of Zimbabwe until The Result of the Election are announced and take it from there..

LOL. What a Circus.
The ANC should be ashamed of itself for letting this happen.
 
LOL. What a Circus.
The ANC should be ashamed of itself for letting this happen.
The thing is, I suspect the ANC is taking notes.
Checking how the international community is reacting, checking how a countries general population reacts. Learning to put blame on foreign countries and people of differant races. Planning on how to cling to power when their day to face the music comes.

Thats why our prez is so quiet. He agrees with whats happening amd hopes his party will do the same. Hoping that one day Zanu will watch their backs as well.
 
The thing is, I suspect the ANC is taking notes.
Checking how the international community is reacting, checking how a countries general population reacts. Learning to put blame on foreign countries and people of differant races. Planning on how to cling to power when their day to face the music comes.

Thats why our prez is so quiet. He agrees with whats happening amd hopes his party will do the same. Hoping that one day Zanu will watch their backs as well.

It appalls me but you're probably right. White guilt is so ingrained in Western Society that, as long as Africans play the race card, they can get away with almost anything. Having said that, South Africa might be a somewhat different situation due to our abundance of strategic minerals. The West will want to safeguard the continued supply of resources from SA and might send in the peacekeepers sooner than would be the case in Zim.
 
The West will want to safeguard the continued supply of resources from SA and might send in the peacekeepers sooner than would be the case in Zim.
Nah I doubt it. Its easier to just bribe some corrupt official and/or dictator to get said minerals. The west will simply work with whoever is in charge.

Peacekeepers are only PR agents used in whatever country is the popular basket case of the moment.
 
No argument from me

His death might leave a power vacuum with the heads of the security forces fighting amongst each other for control. This might escalate into full-scale civil war. This could destabilise the entire region.


Good points in your entire post and that's how I view the situation as well.


I wonder what SA people can do to try to avert this bad scenario? Notice that I said "people", never mind the stupid government that is incapable of doing anything really constructive for SA, much less than the rest of Africa.
 
Food

I was thinking .. everyone thinks China has it's sights set on Africa and Zimbabwe in particular because of it's Mineral Wealth.
That is most certainly true, but what about Farms for Food?

>Zimbabwe has some of the best Agricultural Land in The Southern Hemisphere and farmed properly can earn huge Foreign Exchange for the country. You may think that my statement doesn't make sense considering that all the Commercial Farmers and particularly the White Farmers were given the boot since 2000, but this is where it does make sense .. Opening a mine or laying the foundation for a mine takes huge Financing and Time, whereas a Farm can quickly become productive in a relatively short period with considerably less Capital Expense compared to a Mine.

Mad Bob may act Crazy, but I think a lot of those Farms are going to become big money spinners in the decades to come once The Chinese or whoever employ some Commercial Sense into the venture. If they are not doing so already.
The World is facing a huge food shortage and the prices are going through the rood. Good Farm Land will be a sought after commodity.
 
Food

I was thinking .. everyone thinks China has it's sights set on Africa and Zimbabwe in particular because of it's Mineral Wealth.
That is most certainly true, but what about Farms for Food?

>Zimbabwe has some of the best Agricultural Land in The Southern Hemisphere and farmed properly can earn huge Foreign Exchange for the country. You may think that my statement doesn't make sense considering that all the Commercial Farmers and particularly the White Farmers were given the boot since 2000, but this is where it does make sense .. Opening a mine or laying the foundation for a mine takes huge Financing and Time, whereas a Farm can quickly become productive in a relatively short period with considerably less Capital Expense compared to a Mine.

I think a lot of those Zimbabwean Farms are going to become big money spinners in the decades to come, once The Chinese or whoever employ some Commercial Sense into the venture ... If they are not doing so already.
The World is facing a huge food shortage and the prices are going through the roof. Good Farm Land will be a sought after commodity.
 
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