How to use the ethernet cable

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I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but I did a search and came up with nothing.

Can anyone help me with this, or point me to a thread about it? Just wanna try with ethernet and see how it works.
 
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If it's the same as most ethernet devices, which I'm sure it is, then you would use PPPoE to connect. Do a search on these forums for PPPoE - you'll find a fair bit of firewall and linux stuff, but if I remember correctly, there's some info on windows.

This will probably be all you'll need however (from the horses mouth !)

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283070&sd=tech
 
Azgard said:
I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but I did a search and came up with nothing.

Can anyone help me with this, or point me to a thread about it? Just wanna try with ethernet and see how it works.
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Azgard, for an iBurst UTD, attached via RJ45 ethernet to your WinXP pc you should only need to create a new PPPoE broadband connection that requires usename & password (something like that in Network and Dial-up Connections->New Connection), it might even be as simple as unplugging the USB cable & plugging in the ethernet cable, then try using the existing connection that you had for USB.
 
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Azgard said:
I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but I did a search and came up with nothing.

Can anyone help me with this, or point me to a thread about it? Just wanna try with ethernet and see how it works.
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USB vs Ethernet Cable Thread

Personally, I don't think that thread was ever conclusive in it's results, as it went O/T. I still don't know which is better...
 
i didn't read through the threads reffered to by others, but if you'd like to get PPP-over-ethernet working on any MSWin except XP you'll need a pppOE implementation like http://www.raspppoe.com/

chz,
kk
 
Well I am using XP.

I looked through the disc I got from WBS and it contained instructions on have to use the Ethernet cable, didn't think of looking there first..
 
Ethernet wins hands down in terms of usability and connection sharing.
If your hooking it up to one computer, it makes absolutely no difference in the long run, however.

Azgard, you should experiment with a hardware firewall, something like Smoothwall.
You'll need an old spare PC for it tho.
 
bb_matt said:
Ethernet wins hands down in terms of usability and connection sharing.
If your hooking it up to one computer, it makes absolutely no difference in the long run, however.

Azgard, you should experiment with a hardware firewall, something like Smoothwall.
You'll need an old spare PC for it tho.
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So if I used the Ethernet cable would there be more of a chance that my ICS would work? Cause at the moment I've done everything short of formatting both my PCs.

My motherboard does have a built in firewall is that the same kinda thing? I don't have it activated though.

I do have an old P1 133Mhz 24Mb RAM 4Gb HDD which at the moment had nothing on, it has a 10mbps network card though so what would I do to get Smoothwall to work? Smoothwall is a linux based GUI firewall right? I've heard of it before.
 
Azgard said:
I do have an old P1 133Mhz 24Mb RAM 4Gb HDD which at the moment had nothing on, it has a 10mbps network card though so what would I do to get Smoothwall to work? Smoothwall is a linux based GUI firewall right? I've heard of it before.
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Azgard, you have more than one option available. (as mentioned)

1. Build a smoothwall router (Cheap & Great for future expansion)
2. Purchase a cheap Wifi router (Little more expensive but simpler)
3. Get ICS working. (Free, little room for expansion, less control)

1.Firstly the 10mbps card will NOT be an issue if your only planning to share an internet connection to a few machines.

You need to download the iso from www.smoothwall.org. Burn it to a CD and boot it in your old machine. From there you pretty much follow instructions. Very simple and there is enough documentation available if you encounter problems along the way.

You will ofcourse need a way to link this to your existing machines, IE a switch, if you dont have one lieing around you can easily pick one up around the R200 mark. If you have an old hub lieing around that will work aswell.

Depending on how you have chosen to configure smoothwall you should be able to allow your machines to obtain network information automatically from the DHCP on you new linux box.

This also makes it easy to expand if you add any new machines in the future and should be well worth the time spent setting it up.

2.Alternatively you could purchase a WIFI router for under R500, I think you can pick up the Mecer units for R400 these days. Which would save you the time and effort of building you own box.

3.For ICS to work the host machine (with iburst connected) must have the following IP address. 192.168.0.1, you should let the client machine obtain its address automatically or configure it to 192.168.0.2 (the last digit can be anything).

You also need to make sure that the Iburst connection is allowed to be shared, this can be done in the properties of the network connection created by the USB device.
 
alchamy said:
Azgard, you have more than one option available. (as mentioned)

1. Build a smoothwall router (Cheap & Great for future expansion)
2. Purchase a cheap Wifi router (Little more expensive but simpler)
3. Get ICS working. (Free, little room for expansion, less control)

1.Firstly the 10mbps card will NOT be an issue if your only planning to share an internet connection to a few machines.

You need to download the iso from www.smoothwall.org. Burn it to a CD and boot it in your old machine. From there you pretty much follow instructions. Very simple and there is enough documentation available if you encounter problems along the way.

You will ofcourse need a way to link this to your existing machines, IE a switch, if you dont have one lieing around you can easily pick one up around the R200 mark. If you have an old hub lieing around that will work aswell.

Depending on how you have chosen to configure smoothwall you should be able to allow your machines to obtain network information automatically from the DHCP on you new linux box.

This also makes it easy to expand if you add any new machines in the future and should be well worth the time spent setting it up.

2.Alternatively you could purchase a WIFI router for under R500, I think you can pick up the Mecer units for R400 these days. Which would save you the time and effort of building you own box.

3.For ICS to work the host machine (with iburst connected) must have the following IP address. 192.168.0.1, you should let the client machine obtain its address automatically or configure it to 192.168.0.2 (the last digit can be anything).

You also need to make sure that the Iburst connection is allowed to be shared, this can be done in the properties of the network connection created by the USB device.
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I used to have a 100mbps switch but it got fried about a month ago, have to still replace it. But if I have a 10mbps network card in one PC won't it drop the transfer rate of the entire network down from 100mbps to 10mbps?

I'll download smoothwall now and burn it when I get some CDs, problem also is my P1 can't boot from CD...

Would it better to buy a router or use a smoothwall box? And where would I find routers for that kinda price?

I've given up for the moment in ICS, have been working on it for almost a week now and it just should work and won't.
 
Azgard said:
I used to have a 100mbps switch but it got fried about a month ago, have to still replace it. But if I have a 10mbps network card in one PC won't it drop the transfer rate of the entire network down from 100mbps to 10mbps?

I'll download smoothwall now and burn it when I get some CDs, problem also is my P1 can't boot from CD...

Would it better to buy a router or use a smoothwall box? And where would I find routers for that kinda price?

I've given up for the moment in ICS, have been working on it for almost a week now and it just should work and won't.
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The 10mps link wont affect you transfer rates of the entire network, If you use a switch the machines communicate directly with each other. IE the 10mbps link will only be used for internet traffic.

Smoothwall vs Hardware Router:

Smoothwall is much more configurable but takes more effort and definately more time.

A hardware router would be perfect for home use, it is simple to install and adds the benifit of WIFI, so if you do ever go wireless it would be very simple to get them on the network.

If you choose the smoothwall option, you will need to make a boot disk in light of your cd booting problems. This should be documented on the website somewhere.

As for where to get the router

http://www.digitalplanet.co.za/dp/products/details.asp?StockId=50953

Just confirm with them that it is a router, but I remember seeing the same one somewhere else with routing under the features list.

You can see the same device here for R600

http://www.mecerpc.co.za/wireless-hardware-south-africa.php

Its cheap and nasty but will definately get the job done.
 
alchamy said:
The 10mps link wont affect you transfer rates of the entire network, If you use a switch the machines communicate directly with each other. IE the 10mbps link will only be used for internet traffic.

Smoothwall vs Hardware Router:

Smoothwall is much more configurable but takes more effort and definately more time.

A hardware router would be perfect for home use, it is simple to install and adds the benifit of WIFI, so if you do ever go wireless it would be very simple to get them on the network.

If you choose the smoothwall option, you will need to make a boot disk in light of your cd booting problems. This should be documented on the website somewhere.

As for where to get the router

http://www.digitalplanet.co.za/dp/products/details.asp?StockId=50953

Just confirm with them that it is a router, but I remember seeing the same one somewhere else with routing under the features list.

You can see the same device here for R600

http://www.mecerpc.co.za/wireless-hardware-south-africa.php

Its cheap and nasty but will definately get the job done.
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Oh ok, I though that a switch would drop its speed to the lowest one on the network, seems I was wrong.

Well at the moment I'm looking at some routers, so far I've found the
TrendNet TW100-S4W1CA (Version F1) DSL/Cable Broadband Router with 4-Port Switch R389
and
Gigabyte GN-B46B 11Mbps Wireless LAN Router R496

They both look quite good, do you know anything about them?

I've had a look at the Mecer one and it also looks good. I don't really think I need WiFi connectivity at the moment and doubt I'll need it for another few years.
 
Gigabyte & Trendnet are both better makes then Mecer IMO anyways.

If you dont plan to use Wifi than the Trendnet option might not be a bad one.

Although R100 extra to cover the "incase I get laptop or something like that" is also not too bad.

Both have very similar features though.
 
I hadn't heard of Trendnet before. Well I'll see how much money I have available and if I can get Smoothwall to work first.

I was just wondering something... To use Smoothwall on my P1 would I need two network cards? Since it doesn't have USB ports and I would need to connect it to the other PCs.
 
Yeah, you would definately need 2 cards then, you should be able to pick one up for about R60 which is quite reasonable. You could then connect your modem to the 10mbps card.
 
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Yeah, you would definately need 2 cards then, you should be able to pick one up for about R60 which is quite reasonable. You could then connect your modem to the 10mbps card.
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Not a bad idea :)

Thanks, had anyone used Smoothwall with IBurst yet?
 
Kuberkoos is running SmokePing, so I assume he might also be running SmoothWall.

I have only had problems with Mecer/Mustek modem & network related stuff- drivers blue screening...try to stay away from Mecer equipment.
 
I've just read all the requirements for Smoothwall and my PC doesn't meet almost all of them...

Minimum processor: 150mhz
My processor: 133mhz

Minimum RAM: 32Mb, with less than 64Mb some services won't work.
My RAM: 24Mb

Minimum Harddrive: 2Gb
My Harddrive: 4Gb

What do you guys think?
 
Azgard, it should run, might take a while to boot but it should run. You will only be routing to 2 pcs, which should not take up to much of your resources
 
Oh ya, forgot about that. It will only be two PCs, maybe another one later but not yet.

Been trying frantically to get another network card from friends to test it out but no one wants to lend me one :( Will have to wait for tomorrow.
 
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